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mach1.9pants
03-04-07, 04:07 PM
An awesome article for those of us with AM2s thinking about getting a G80 card!
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_8800_gtx_gts_amd_cpu_scaling/default.asp
It covers a lot games, at three big screen resolutions with GTX, GTS and AMD cards.. worth a look, compare it to some C2D results e.g http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/11/08/nvidia_geforce_8800_gtx_g80/12.html

Blacklash
03-04-07, 04:30 PM
I've already done comparisons myself.

I had a X2 4400+ @ 2.84GHz before I switched to the E6600 @ 3.7GHz. Areas like cities in Oblivion received great boosts and they play smoother as well. Every C2D I have tried does 3.2GHz on air with no vcore increases. 3.1-3.2 is the limit of the latest dual core AMD on air. It is also 150usd over the cost of an E6600.

This old Anand article shows 1600x resolution and comparisons:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=10

A 183usd E6300 @ 2.59GHz is all you need to pass up the best AM2 dual core. It will also lay it low in all arenas out side of gaming.

I'll be using AMD again when they produce a 300usd chip that can beat what I own currently. Of course that includes overclocking.

Xion X2
03-04-07, 04:36 PM
Same here. You're preaching to a lot of us who've switched from AMD dual-cores (I had an X2 4400+ @ 2.7ghz) and have seen some drastic performance increases in not only desktop applications but gaming as well.

Going to a good Allendale or Conroe is a significant jump from a 939 or AM2 AMD dual-core. Significant.

Redeemed
03-04-07, 04:40 PM
Going to a good Allendale or Conroe is a significant jump from a 939 or AM2 AMD dual-core. Significant.

*Begins stroking new Opty185 while saying:*

"Don't listen to them, you're not that bad. I still love you."

:p

Xion X2
03-04-07, 05:06 PM
Opty's are great processors, as I think you already know I believe. I still have a soft spot for AMD's, because it was the first really fast processor I've ever had, and also the first dual-core. :)

But anyone who compares it to a Conroe is digging themselves a hole.

mach1.9pants
03-04-07, 05:56 PM
I agree totally with you guys, I wish I had waited the 2 or 3 weeks to get a C2D! I was putting this in here for those, like me, who have the AM2 and would like G80...The firing squad review of the 8800gtx on a C2X shows it hitting 30 or 40 percent higher FPS than a FX-62! Oh well maybe the bank will stretch a little further......;)
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800_preview/default.asp

mustrum
03-05-07, 08:08 AM
C2D are better. I think we don't need to discuss it.
If you allready have a X2 don't fear gettign a 8800 tho.

I recently switched from a x1900 XT to a 8800 GTS on the CPU in my sig and it was worth it.
Would it be better even on a overclocked E6600? In CPU limited scenes/games hell yes it would.

Is it fast enough to play anything i throw at it? Hell yes!

Go for it.

J-Mag
03-05-07, 11:48 AM
C2D are better. I think we don't need to discuss it.
If you allready have a X2 don't fear gettign a 8800 tho.


Exactly what I was thinking. For $600 you can buy a C2D, Mobo, RAM or an 8800gtx. The GTX is the better choice if you aren't playing at 1280 and lower.

Grov
03-06-07, 11:29 AM
Yeah, it's interesting to say the least. I was close to upgrading to a Conroe, but to be honest i don't really think it's worth it, seeing as id need a new mobo, chip and memory. A Toledo at 2600Mhz is no slouch and i game at 1600x1200 so it will do me for another few months or so.

I do want to upgrade soon though, hopefully in the summer, either when K10 is out (if it performs well) or a newer Conroe.

I found my old Invoice, from this 4400+ and i was surprised ive had it since the middle of 2005, so nearly 2 years, hehe it's lasted well. Cost me 400quid at the time though heheh.

aiya
03-07-07, 12:30 AM
i thought about upgrading to Core2 too but decided that i would benefit more with a video card upgrade then a complete system overhaul. 8800GTX here i come! (nana2)

ATOJAR
03-07-07, 10:39 AM
I must say i recently switched from a AMD X2 4200+@2.6GHz to my current conroe, having always had AMD's and viewing these forums alot i decided to give intel a try from what i had read about the C2D's, i have the E6600 running at 2.8GHz.... ive noticed a massive difference in games, converting films, moving large files and compressing/extracting winrar files ect.... im in no rush to switch back to AMD..... this conroe E6600 out muscles my old X2 4200+ by far and in every way!... I also feel this E6600 is getting alot more out of my 8800GTS than the 4200+ ever did!

HitMaker
03-07-07, 12:11 PM
In my opinion there is NO mayor difference between and AMD X2 perfomanced and a Conroe performanced, we are talking of coure in terms of High Resolution, 1680x1050 or beyond. Just in a few games/maps.

Here is a small article, in spanish but there are graphs and i think you will understand everything, comparing a X2 4600+ default against a E6400@3,2ghz. In many games there is no mayor difference:

http://www.nextgpu.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=82&Itemid=32

Games i tested (different resolutions):
-Oblivion (Imperial City, Gold Cost Day/Gold Cost nigh raining maps) FAA@4x, HDR@on, FA@16x and all this patches installed, also with every video option at max:
Parallax Installation/Activation Order for 512Mb Video Cards

1. Qarl's Texture Pack 2
2. Better Tiling Textures 1.11
3. Parallaxed Qarl Textures 1.0 (includes Skingrad Roof Textures)
4. Parallaxed Qarl Textures 1.1 Update (includes normal map fix)
5. Bluesteel's LandscapeLOD NormalMap Fix MipMap Fix v.1.1 (by Soor)
6. Better Tiling LOD Textures (4096)
7. Better Night Sky

-F.E.A.R FAA@4x and FA@16x with/out SoftShadows enabled
-FARCRY v1.4 (Regulator, Volcano and River maps of HardwareOC Tools bench)
-Company of Heroes (game's bench with/out FAA@4x and FA@16x)
-Call of Duty 2 (TechPowerUps timedemo)
-Half Life 2: LOST COAST (HardwareOC Tools Bench)
-Rainbow Six Las Vegas without FAA.

I hope it helps you ;)

Slammin
03-07-07, 08:00 PM
I dunno, I just got done building this rig a couple of hours ago and am right now trying to find a good overclock. Up to 3.6GHz at stock vcore right now, 17 second 1M SuperPi, so I do have a long way to go, but coming from my 3.0GHz Opteron, this Kentsfield quad totally smokes it. Even on just desktop stuff. Haven't done any gaming yet and don't have XP installed right now, but I can already tell this chip is smoking the Opteron, and my Opteron was pretty fast.

therapture
03-08-07, 10:33 PM
If you are gaming at high resolutions (1600x1200 or higher) with lots of eye candy turned on, a fast (2.4 or higher) X2 cpu will deliver excellent framerates same as the C2D when using the 8800 series.

If you are gaming at 1024x768, the C2D will own the X2, but at 1920x1200 there is little difference.

I went from an X2 at 2.6ghz to my C2D at 3.2ghz, and get some minor increases in MINIMUM framerates, nothing that made the X2 feel slow.

NOBODY gets 30% to 40% gains by going from an X2 to a C2D unless you are running low resolutions.

mustrum
03-09-07, 07:00 AM
If you are gaming at high resolutions (1600x1200 or higher) with lots of eye candy turned on, a fast (2.4 or higher) X2 cpu will deliver excellent framerates same as the C2D when using the 8800 series.

If you are gaming at 1024x768, the C2D will own the X2, but at 1920x1200 there is little difference.

I went from an X2 at 2.6ghz to my C2D at 3.2ghz, and get some minor increases in MINIMUM framerates, nothing that made the X2 feel slow.

NOBODY gets 30% to 40% gains by going from an X2 to a C2D unless you are running low resolutions.

That's exactly what i've been tellign people. I am playing at 1920x1200 myself with a 3ghz X2 and i am getting excellent performance when i compare to C2D Systems. Sure they might gain a few FPS here and there but nothing major.

Got flamed to hell and back for that statement on this forums allready though so be careful with what you say here! :captnkill:

Grov
03-09-07, 10:32 AM
If you are gaming at high resolutions (1600x1200 or higher) with lots of eye candy turned on, a fast (2.4 or higher) X2 cpu will deliver excellent framerates same as the C2D when using the 8800 series.

If you are gaming at 1024x768, the C2D will own the X2, but at 1920x1200 there is little difference.

I went from an X2 at 2.6ghz to my C2D at 3.2ghz, and get some minor increases in MINIMUM framerates, nothing that made the X2 feel slow.

NOBODY gets 30% to 40% gains by going from an X2 to a C2D unless you are running low resolutions.

Definatly, although it does depend on the game as well, but generally yes, there's still not much difference, especially in Shooters.

PeterAce
03-11-07, 08:05 AM
Well I just upgraded from a Athlon64 4400+ X2 (@ 2200 Mhz) to a Intel E6600 Core 2 Duo (2400 Mhz), and the only game to really show a big increase was Dark Messiah Might and Magic.

The 4400 X2 in this title had a few very low dips in framerate (10-20 FPS) in outside scenes when lots of characters are on screen.

The E6600 didn't have any of these slow downs :cool: