Phht "anti-war" anti-bush, america more like.

[UDawg]

I watched 30 minutes of C-Span today. They were covering the so called anti-war rally. It was actually a psudo black power anti-bush and anti-america rally. They were actually saying black power. This rally was again put on by ANSWER, a well know communist organizaion. I heard nothing about Saddam but everything about how evil bush was. It was pure hatered. I also heard anti-establishment chants also. They were also chanting shut down the government even thought the stance on Iraq hasn't change in 12 years.

It was a rally of hatred and anti-capitolist. Sad really.

[-=DVS=-]

Such people should be kicked out of US :o IMO

[sbp]

Same old crap from those lamers. http://www.pcabusers.net/forums/images/smilies/rude.gif

[1stFlight]

Welcome to America, where we're free to express even a dislike of our own country.

And if anyone doesn't like it, they're free to leave.

P.S. Rally's give everyone their 10 minutes of fame to put a lot of stock in the individual voices, as the meaning of the march as a whole. Just as I'm sure there are KK members in the NRA, the NRA on the whole is not a bad thing.

Originally posted by UDawg71
I watched 30 minutes of C-Span today. They were covering the so called anti-war rally. It was actually a psudo black power anti-bush and anti-america rally. They were actually saying black power. This rally was again put on by ANSWER, a well know communist organizaion. I heard nothing about Saddam but everything about how evil bush was. It was pure hatered. I also heard anti-establishment chants also. They were also chanting shut down the government even thought the stance on Iraq hasn't change in 12 years.

It was a rally of hatred and anti-capitolist. Sad really.

[UDawg]

Originally posted by 1stFlight
Welcome to America, where we're free to express even a dislike of our own country.

And if anyone doesn't like it, they're free to leave.

P.S. Rally's give everyone their 10 minutes of fame to put a lot of stock in the individual voices, as the meaning of the march as a whole. Just as I'm sure there are KK members in the NRA, the NRA on the whole is not a bad thing.

NO! You did not see it then. Every speaker had the same message. The same theme the same chants. The people were chanting right along with them. It was pure hate towards Bush and America. I watched at least 30 minutes of it. I have been in rallies like this before when I was liberal.

The difference between this people and the NRA is that the NRA doesn't whant to change the government to a socialistic form.

BTW do not compare the NRA to ANSWER a anti-capitolistic organization.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by UDawg71
I also heard anti-establishment chants also.

I wonder if these people had clothes on there back? Were they well fed? Clean with good services, massive benefactors of the american economy?

yes

Why do they hate it? Beats me, I think its a genetic problem, some people are just born yank bashers :rolleyes:

Reminds me, anyone seen the film SLC punk with mark lilliard? It is an incredible message for all who believe that their anarchistic polotics will stay with them for life.

If anyone has this film on dvd i'll pay good money to take it off your hands ;)

[1stFlight]

UDawg, captialism is an economic system, not a religion, not a form of government. Relax man, Socialism is not evil, it works well in many places, a few of them used to be our allies.

You're right, I didn't see, "that" rally, but I've attended a few of my own. And I know enough to say, "we've done a lot of sh!t wrong". A lot right, but you know how the world works. I believe Shakespeare once said, "The good men do dies with them, the evil men do lives on".

It's a fact of life.

And no the NRA doesn't want to change the government, they just want it to ignore the first half of the 2nd Amendment...that's my beef

The comparison fit, one extreme organization compared to another one. It was not a comparison of their ideologies.

Originally posted by UDawg71
NO! You did not see it then. Every speaker had the same message. The same theme the same chants. The people were chanting right along with them. It was pure hate towards Bush and America. I watched at least 30 minutes of it. I have been in rallies like this before when I was liberal.

The difference between this people and the NRA is that the NRA doesn't whant to change the government to a socialistic form.

BTW do not compare the NRA to ANSWER a anti-capitolistic organization.

[netviper13]

Enough with the socialism bashing already, capitalism has killed just as many people as socialism has.

No economic system will be perfect, so you have to accept whichever your nation chooses for what it is.

I can't say I blame the people in the protests for hating Bush, I can't stand the man. His economic policies are terrible, and he's more worried about finishing daddy's war than fixing the leaky faucets at home. In case he didn't notice we're in a bit of an economic recession, and every single time in our history we've had a recession we became isolationist until it was over.

[1stFlight]

Oh relax, it's only a few million people unemployed and another few million uninsured.

I'm sure that's what the voice in Bush's head is telling him...

Originally posted by netviper13
Enough with the socialism bashing already, capitalism has killed just as many people as socialism has.

No economic system will be perfect, so you have to accept whichever your nation chooses for what it is.

I can't say I blame the people in the protests for hating Bush, I can't stand the man. His economic policies are terrible, and he's more worried about finishing daddy's war than fixing the leaky faucets at home. In case he didn't notice we're in a bit of an economic recession, and every single time in our history we've had a recession we became isolationist until it was over.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by netviper13
Enough with the socialism bashing already

Enough with people not reading what i put already ;)

I have said in the past and will re-instate that no economic methodology is perfect, I don't think anyone ever needs to make the point because for one thing its bloody obvious!

I have a problem with those who use protests as outlets for extreemist toddler polotics... an example would be people chanting anti establishment remarks. Now if your socialist or not, you still need an establishment just to have clean water, goods and services. Thats my beef. Socialism, which i believe to be flawed at least attempts to put some structure on society.

he's more worried about finishing daddy's war

Please, its not daddys war at all, daddy was pushed into it by maggie who realised that if nobody did something saddam was gonna piss all over the UN. Which is what he's doing now, Bush is a crap public speaker and has no clue about how to spin something to look good, thats his biggest problem. Quotes like the one you just made are exactly those that make the stance against bush look one legged to me, instead of fighting the humanities people are fighting bush. Hope that explains what you claim to be "socialsm bashing" a bit better

[pastor]

Originally posted by sytaylor
Enough with people not reading what i put already ;)

...... Bush is a crap public speaker and has no clue about how to spin something to look good, thats his biggest problem. .....

yes it's also what i think, Wbush is not a monster but it could had promoted this war better or improved his diplomatic skills with allies because like i said in the "Why do americans hate the french?" thread, Us Govt wants to put his ass in the middle east so they can install their intelligence services to be able to spy countries like Saudi Arabia and i think it's a necessary thing

[netviper13]

I'm opposed to the war on humanitarian grounds as well, but I also hate seeing our economy going to crap while we're worrying about what might happen 10 years from now if we don't take action in the Middle East.

[UDawg]

Originally posted by netviper13
Enough with the socialism bashing already, capitalism has killed just as many people as socialism has.


:retard:


Prove it! I demand you back up that statement.

YOU CAN'T! it is just an opinion which is wrong. In an effort to defend socialism you have to bring down capitolism to ist's level. That is using a negative to support you position and the weakest form of argument.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by netviper13
I'm opposed to the war on humanitarian grounds as well, but I also hate seeing our economy going to crap while we're worrying about what might happen 10 years from now if we don't take action in the Middle East.

aha now we're getting somewhere... and just why do you think bush is pushing so hard for "action" in the middle east? He made his bed with the "war on terror", now he has to lie in it and at the same time stick someone sensible on top of all the oil so we have a proper market trade (as apposed to all these conspiricy theories of bush actually wanting to control the oil)

[netviper13]

Originally posted by UDawg71
:retard:


Prove it! I demand you back up that statement.

YOU CAN'T! it is just an opinion which is wrong. In an effort to defend socialism you have to bring down capitolism to ist's level. That is using a negative to support you position and the weakest form of argument.

If I had my debate files from last semester I'd give you at least 20 separate pieces of evidence to back up my statement, but we're on spring break and I have no access to the school, which is where they currently are.

Originally posted by sytaylor
aha now we're getting somewhere... and just why do you think bush is pushing so hard for "action" in the middle east? He made his bed with the "war on terror", now he has to lie in it and at the same time stick someone sensible on top of all the oil so we have a proper market trade (as apposed to all these conspiricy theories of bush actually wanting to control the oil)

I agree we need someone sensible in charge of oil, but at the same time the economy here is a more pressing issue. We need to get unemployment back down, and then we can worry about dealing with the Middle East. Historically, matters dealing with the homeland have always been considered more important than worldly matters, and I think this case should be no different.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by netviper13
I agree we need someone sensible in charge of oil, but at the same time the economy here is a more pressing issue. We need to get unemployment back down, and then we can worry about dealing with the Middle East. Historically, matters dealing with the homeland have always been considered more important than worldly matters, and I think this case should be no different.

The reason the economy is in such a state is not just a direct product of the fuss bush has been making. He cant pull off stabilizing foreign issues while making the world feel safe. On the other foot clinton couldnt deal with the worlds problems but he made the world "seem" safe, hence the economy shot up.

Lets also not forget the dot com crash in 99, that was gonna happen sooner or later and its no direct fault of dubya's. So to be fair its not like he hasnt tried to breathe some life into the ecnomy, its just he's not very good at it. He's like the little train that could, he wants to do the right thing but doesnt know how. As apposed to clinton who wanted you to think he was doing the right thing (just like blair).

[netviper13]

I really liked Clinton for that though. He could just get up there and speak without a speech already written and make you feel good.

I don't get that feeling from Dubya, and no doubt some of that is because it's not HIM speaking to us. We all know how he sounds when speaking extemporaneously, and I just can't feel comfortable with the guy.

For me, I'd rather have an illusion leading to a good economy than a reality leading to a bad one.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by netviper13
I really liked Clinton for that though. He could just get up there and speak without a speech already written and make you feel good.

I don't get that feeling from Dubya, and no doubt some of that is because it's not HIM speaking to us. We all know how he sounds when speaking extemporaneously, and I just can't feel comfortable with the guy.

For me, I'd rather have an illusion leading to a good economy than a reality leading to a bad one.

So you'd prefer to live in a world of ignorance where terror could happen at any moment because ur being fed a crock of lies? No wonder ur a socialist, I like the truth myself... maybe that puts me in the minority :confused:

[netviper13]

If we weren't in everybody's business we wouldn't have to worry about terrorism near as much as we do. Notice the terror alert went UP from its reasonably relaxed state as soon as we started talking about war. Let me tell you, it doesn't do the anti-terror movement any good to piss more people off.

We essentially have two options: back off or take over the entire world. It won't work to take over the world, any empire that's tried to do it in the past has failed miserably.

[sytaylor]

Yes but

1. The US isn't an empire its a nation and

2. You can't be as huge as the US and not do things, if they just sat there with fingers in their ears they'd piss even more people off. Sorry to be cheesey but "With great power comes great responsibility". The US will dammed if they do, dammed if they don't the religious fanatics will attack whether the US are highly involved or limitedley involved in the middle east. Bush has taken a bold step in trying to clean it up once and for all, but its 50 years too early for that imho, we need to run out of oil and have a proper alternative before that can happen.

[netviper13]

So long as oil is prevalent in our society, no action dealing with the Middle East will be for entirely pure motives.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by netviper13
So long as oil is prevalent in our society, no action dealing with the Middle East will be for entirely pure motives.

Hmm, I'd hardly say putting someone who believes in proper fair trade is a dirty motive would you? :confused:

[netviper13]

But why should we decide how countries on the other side of the world conduct business?

If we're all about fair trade, why not put more pressure on the Venezuelan government to end the oil strike there?

[bigC]

go git em W!

[volt]

Originally posted by 1stFlight Welcome to America, where we're free to express even a dislike of our own country.

Wait...is that bad? :confused: