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Maverickman
03-11-07, 04:47 PM
I saw a copy of Maximum PC today, and I was surprised to find that they ranked the Core2 E6600 as a "mid-range" CPU. Wow, that's a pretty demanding rating system! What would that make an Athlon 64 X2 4600+?Entry level? I would consider an Athlon 64 3800+ "entry-level" by today's standards. Any Core2 CPU from the E6400 up would be high-end for me. A good mid-range CPU would be the Athlon 64 X2 4200+ and the Core2 E6300.

|MaguS|
03-11-07, 04:53 PM
With the new scale that Intel set, it technically is. The E6700 is higher then it as are the QX6600 and QX6700.

buffbiff21
03-11-07, 05:04 PM
My Conroe aint mid-range! :D

Maverickman
03-11-07, 05:43 PM
I guess the mid-range CPUs would cover a lot of ground. For example, there's a BIG difference between an E6600 and an Athlon 64 X2 4200+, yet both would be considered mid-range CPUs. Only the Core2 Extreme X6800 and Core2 Quad Q6600 would be high-end. Almost all of us have mid-range CPUs then?

Maverickman
03-11-07, 05:45 PM
For me, just about any Core2 CPU except the E6300 or E4300 would be high-end. The same would be true for any Athlon 64 X2 5000+ and up. Of course, what is high-end today will be mid-range next month.:D

Madpistol
03-11-07, 05:46 PM
LOL!

I've got a damn good mid-range CPU. :D

BTW, last time I checked, the E6600's are just starting to trickle down into places like circuit city and best buy. Before now, it's been exclusively E6300's and 6400's for high end systems.

Uberpwnage
03-11-07, 05:53 PM
I dont really care what they are "rated" as, once you overclock it doesn't matter. I'll take a 3.4GHz C2D for $300 any day.

Maverickman
03-11-07, 07:44 PM
True. Overclocking changes everything, and no CPU does it better than the Core 2. I have yet to see a system at BB or Circuit City with an E6600 for less than $1999.

methimpikehoses
03-11-07, 07:52 PM
Well for less than $315, you pay mid-range CPU prices for a high-range performer (esp if you OC). And in by the end of April, they're supposed to be dropping to the ~$230's!

kevJ420
03-11-07, 08:12 PM
I saw a copy of Maximum PC today, and I was surprised to find that they ranked the Core2 E6600 as a "mid-range" CPU. Wow, that's a pretty demanding rating system! What would that make an Athlon 64 X2 4600+?Entry level? I would consider an Athlon 64 3800+ "entry-level" by today's standards. Any Core2 CPU from the E6400 up would be high-end for me. A good mid-range CPU would be the Athlon 64 X2 4200+ and the Core2 E6300.

Yeah it's kind of mid range. I'll give a scale of 0-10 rating for each core 2 processor that I can think of. (5 is middle of the road avg)

3 e6300
4 e6400
5.5 e6600
7 dual core extreme
9.5 q6600
10 quad core extreme.

I would recommend waiting for the price to come down on the q6600. It should go down in the next 5 weeks. I cant think of anything better about the xtreme quad. IMO, it's a waste of money w/ the q6600 around.

buffbiff21
03-11-07, 08:30 PM
Overclocking changes everything

fact


people get riled up over the price difference and think they are paying for a superior cpu. there is no difference between an e6600 core and an x6800 core other than the unlocked multi

is an unlocked multi worth 600 dollars? no

$n][pErMan
03-11-07, 09:08 PM
fact


people get riled up over the price difference and think they are paying for a superior cpu. there is no difference between an e6600 core and an x6800 core other than the unlocked multi

is an unlocked multi worth 600 dollars? no
I wonder if tricks sill exist where you can mod either the CPU or the motherboard to unlock multipliers. I rememebr back with the AMD XP chips this was a huge thing you were able to do...

MustangSVT
03-11-07, 10:07 PM
I consider the E6300 and up a high-end CPU. With a decent overclock (say at least 2.4GHz), how much faster are you really gonna get? In terms of real life gaming performance, I don't see anything on the market that's gonna provide more performance. Maybe a 3.0GHz+ overclocked one would do like 5% better, but that doesn't make the E6300-6600 "mid-range".

Madpistol
03-11-07, 10:09 PM
fact


people get riled up over the price difference and think they are paying for a superior cpu. there is no difference between an e6600 core and an x6800 core other than the unlocked multi

is an unlocked multi worth 600 dollars? no

Actually, the unlocked Multi allows people to overclock the X6800 even further than you could the E6600.

but I do agree that the additional $400-600 isn't worth the small margin of performance you get, especially when you've got boards like the 680i on the market.

buffbiff21
03-11-07, 10:44 PM
Actually, the unlocked Multi allows people to overclock the X6800 even further than you could the E6600.
if youve got phase or LN2 ;)

but :bugeyes: omg :bugeyes: i like to keep my computers in a quiet case ;)

Xion X2
03-11-07, 11:20 PM
I guess the mid-range CPUs would cover a lot of ground. For example, there's a BIG difference between an E6600 and an Athlon 64 X2 4200+, yet both would be considered mid-range CPUs. Only the Core2 Extreme X6800 and Core2 Quad Q6600 would be high-end. Almost all of us have mid-range CPUs then?

None of that crap matters when you overclock right now. You'll get just as good performance from an E6600 as you will an X6800, Q6600, or a QX6700 unless you're a video-editing guru. No games are quad-threaded, and they will all overclock about the same.

So don't worry about what "Maximum PC" says. I don't.

Xion X2
03-11-07, 11:23 PM
Actually, the unlocked Multi allows people to overclock the X6800 even further than you could the E6600.



Not if you have a decent motherboard, it doesn't. It all still depends on the internals of the chip. There are plenty of E6600s I've seen that were able to clock higher than X6800s on the same platform.

Madpistol
03-12-07, 01:12 AM
if youve got phase or LN2 ;)

Well, if they can afford an X6800, they can probably afford phase change too.

Go over to the guys at Xtremesystems.org if you want to learn about thier legendary X6800's.

buffbiff21
03-12-07, 01:25 AM
Dude i kno, my point was not the $

it was convenience

i would not enjoy having my computer dwell outside a case

Madpistol
03-12-07, 09:06 AM
Dude i kno, my point was not the $

it was convenience

Lol! I know what your point was. Just pushing your buttons. ;)

MustangSVT
03-12-07, 10:56 AM
I like Maximum PC, but sometimes they're really dumb.

I remember some of their so called "good value PC builds" for like $1000 or $1500, and they were wasting all their money on a CPU and expensive motherboard and RAM and also way too expensive PSU, and then getting a low-end videocard. Kind of like say right now you'd have $1500 or whatever, and buy an expensive mobo, expensive RAM, an E6600 and then get like say a 7900GT, when really, you should be buying a e6400 and a better value mobo and ram and get an 8800gts or 8800gtx.

Blacklash
03-12-07, 07:23 PM
I love my mid-range CPU.

kevJ420
03-12-07, 08:22 PM
None of that crap matters when you overclock right now. You'll get just as good performance from an E6600 as you will an X6800, Q6600, or a QX6700 unless you're a video-editing guru. No games are quad-threaded, and they will all overclock about the same.
So don't worry about what "Maximum PC" says. I don't.

True, but quad-threaded games are the future, and also make windows vista x64 faster. Keep in mind, that a lot of upcoming games are going to be highly dependent on the cpu for physics. Although, I think if there's ever a PCI-E Aegeia PhysX, then developers should rely on that b/c more people would buy PPUs if they were in PCI-E.

john19055
03-14-07, 10:14 PM
You could call the Core 2 Duo E6600 a mid-range CPU if you are running it at default setting since it is just 2.4gigs and the 6700 and 6800 are rated higher at default,but who runs it at it's defaulted speed ,I see it priced as a mid-range CPU ,but once you have it running at 3.6gigs,I think it would be consider a upper-range CPU.

Bokishi
03-14-07, 10:58 PM
I agree with everyone else that overclocking does change everything and that an e6600 at stock really should be considered midrange.