Who to blame

[vampireuk]

Right, if the Iraq action turns out to be long and bloody who will you blame? The French or Clinton:rolleyes: :D

[2fast4u]

rofl

i say we blame the french .. and their fries :D

[vampireuk]

Freedom toast anyone?:D

I am going to blame clinton as umm well hell I dont know but its his fault all the same!

[sbp]

No doubt there are some who want to this to turn out bloodly.

France does deserve some for playing the delay game for their boy Saddam.

Don't forget the Turks who turned down mucho money and made things harder to do.

I'm hoping Hussein could get a well deserved bullet in the brain {although that would be too good for the b@stard} and war could be avoided.

[2fast4u]

France does deserve some for playing the delay game for their boy Saddam.

Don't forget the Turks who turned down mucho money and made things harder to do.

lets blame them for standing in our way :rolleyes:

and dont dare to give france all the credit for saddam, hes OUR boy! the usa, europe and the ussr all together. credit where its deserved :D :p

[vampireuk]

Well no one can blame the Turks for this, everyone wants Democracy in the middle east and democracy was used to make the decision in turkey. To turn round now and slag them off over it would be highly hipocritical.

I wouldn't be suprised if France were blamed if this thing turned out bloody, not suprised at all.

[sbp]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
lets blame them for standing in our way :rolleyes:lets blame the US for getting rid of a damn dictator.

btw your country is now France junior partner. Congrats! :lol:

and dont dare to give france all the credit for saddam, hes OUR boy! the usa, europe and the ussr all together. credit where its deserved :D :p True, but much more can be assigned to France and Russia. And don't forget the Arab world, China and so on.

No worse than some of the crap the US is blamed for.

[sytaylor]

There should be a third option on that pole "Saddam", hmm wonder why thats not there...

[2fast4u]

lets blame the US for getting rid of a damn dictator.

btw your country is now France junior partner. Congrats!

lets blame them for standing in your way to take the oil.

btw, we were first with opposing the war :p

True, but much more can be assigned to France and Russia. And don't forget the Arab world, China and so on.

No worse than some of the crap the US is blamed for.

like i said, ... hes OUR boy. arent we wonderful?

[sbp]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
lets blame them for standing in your way to take the oil.Those lucrative loans and contracts and oil are their reasons. :bleh:

btw, we were first with opposing the war :pYou were also against going into Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf War.

Wishing for peace, don't make for a peaceful world.

Listen, its understandable folks don't want to see a war. War is a dirty and nasty thing. But as long as there are terrorists like the Al-Qaeda a$$holes and rotten thugs like Hussein and that North Koreans nutjob, there will be no peace. Deal with that reality peacemongers.

I can sleep at night knowing Iraq will get aid to rebuild, that its sanctions will be gone and that Iraqi's won't live in terror under Hussein. Can you?

like i said, ... hes OUR boy. arent we wonderful? Yet you don't want to deal with the consequences with the bad behavior of the boy. Reminds one of a permissive parent who wants to be a friend to their child, instead of a parent.

The boy is going down. Deal with it. :cool:

[2fast4u]

Wishing for peace, don't make for a peaceful world.

exactly. thats why i went out there and did some f*cking protest for peace. i aint gonna be the one sitting on my ass doing nothing.

Listen, its understandable folks don't want to see a war. War is a dirty and nasty thing. But as long as there are terrorists like the Al-Qaeda a$$holes and rotten thugs like Hussein and that North Koreans nutjob, there will be no peace. Deal with that reality peacemongers.

reality is that your effort was to create grounds for terrorism in the first place.

reality is that you instrumentalize your so-called "war on terror" for your own self-interest.

without justice however there will be no peace.

here is a sentence for you to think about:

your policy of force has led to 9/11 .. now what exactly do you think a policy of more force will do?

I can sleep at night knowing Iraq will get aid to rebuild, that its sanctions will be gone and that Iraqi's won't live in terror under Hussein. Can you?

i _cant_ sleep at night knowing that none of this is safe to happen.

Yet you don't want to deal with the consequences with the bad behavior of the boy. Reminds one of a permissive parent who wants to be a friend to their child, instead of a parent.

The boy is going down. Deal with it.

strange example, but anyway ... there is such a thing as weapons inspectors right? thats whats called dealing with consequences, not putting on a war. speaking of consequences, most likely the usa will be the one having to life with the consequences of this military intervention. and it wont be pretty.

[volt]

I will blame the governments of US, England and Spain (in order).

No offense vamp, I still lub j00 :D

[Kruno]

I will blame Clinton's little head. ;)

"My little head is doing the thinking for my big head, I better watch it or my career is going to be dead". ;)

[SurfMonkey]

The trouble with going out and protesting for peace is that the majority of people who do so are simply following the crowd. Like sheep, and sheep are quite along way down the food chain.

They may have an opinion on the argument in question but it is a universal ill informed opinion, those on the other hand who make sure they know the facts and have an informed opinion are in a different league.

The majority of those people seem to be on the fence, they see the argument from both sides and have realised that it's a damned hard decision to make.

Personally I think that if Bush doesn't go to war, then France will assume control of the UN, for what it's now worth. Blair will lose power in the UK and seven kinds of sh*t will break out in America.

If he does go to war, then alot of the fence sitters will HAVE to make a decision and that's going to create a big mess with the European, so called, union.

Either way it's going to be messy.

[sbp]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
exactly. thats why i went out there and did some f*cking protest for peace. i aint gonna be the one sitting on my ass doing nothing.I applaud your idealism but what exactly did that accomplish? Did it get Hussein to give up those WMD programs? Is it getting North Korea to stop behaving badly? Will it get Islamofascists to stop murdering people? Nope.

reality is that your effort was to create grounds for terrorism in the first place.Terrorist will make up reasons to murder. Heck they don't need a reason to kill.

reality is that you instrumentalize your so-called "war on terror" for your own self-interest.Those terrorists cells that have been broken up across the world is just for the US interests only. :bleh:

without justice however there will be no peace.Try telling that to Hussein. He'll love hearing your ideas about justice in Iraq.

here is a sentence for you to think about:

your policy of force has led to 9/11 .. now what exactly do you think a policy of more force will do?Just like Australia brought Bali on itself. :rolleyes:

here is a sentence for you to think about:
If a terrorist is dead, a terrorist can't kill. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/smilies/dead.gif

People don't want to live under Islamofascists rule. Do you?

strange example, but anyway ... there is such a thing as weapons inspectors right? thats whats called dealing with consequences, not putting on a war. speaking of consequences, most likely the usa will be the one having to life with the consequences of this military intervention. and it wont be pretty. You keep pinning hopes on the weapons inspectors. They are not there to run around Iraq. They were sent there to verify Iraq has disarmed. That won't ever happen. Its been tried for years.

Basically you are in favor of kicking the can down the road. :bleh:

[UDawg]

Mr. Flibble. Bomb him. :p

[silence]

how about we blame Milosevic?he is already in Haag on trial.:D

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by silence
how about we blame Milosevic?he is already in Haag on trial.:D

He is living proof that just doing something instead of dragging it though the whole world to apprve gets results. Nobody can deny the minimal casualties and massive effectivness of his removal.

[2fast4u]

I applaud your idealism but what exactly did that accomplish? Did it get Hussein to give up those WMD programs? Is it getting North Korea to stop behaving badly? Will it get Islamofascists to stop murdering people? Nope.

maybe i supported my government and others to opose this war. in case you havent noticed, the war mongers are a minority.

Terrorist will make up reasons to murder. Heck they don't need a reason to kill.

but they need people to support them. if there is no support the terrorists dont have grounds for their perverted ideas. have u heard of the RAF in germany? if not read up on it and ull understand.

Those terrorists cells that have been broken up across the world is just for the US interests only.

uh ,... did i miss something?

Try telling that to Hussein. He'll love hearing your ideas about justice in Iraq.

then again, tell it to his people and there ya go

Just like Australia brought Bali on itself.

what the hell are you on about?

If a terrorist is dead, a terrorist can't kill.

killing civilians while hunting for terrorists creates more terrorists. back atcha.


People don't want to live under Islamofascists rule. Do you?

no ... but why exactly should i be in fear of that happening?

You keep pinning hopes on the weapons inspectors. They are not there to run around Iraq. They were sent there to verify Iraq has disarmed. That won't ever happen. Its been tried for years.

so you are completely ignoring the happenings atm. iraq IS indeed disarming, BECAUSE of the inspectors. according to your president thats what you wanted so whats all the bitching about?

[sbp]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
maybe i supported my government and others to opose this war. in case you havent noticed, the war mongers are a minority.Over here the peacemongers are a minority.

but they need people to support them. if there is no support the terrorists dont have grounds for their perverted ideas. have u heard of the RAF in germany? if not read up on it and ull understand.Until that is so, we must be strong and proactive against the terrorists.

uh ,... did i miss something?Obviously so.

then again, tell it to his people and there ya goSoon they will be free and know for themselves.

what the hell are you on about?If you want to be consistent ala 9/11 you should be more than happy to blame Australia for Bali.

killing civilians while hunting for terrorists creates more terrorists. back atcha.Sitting there waiting for the terrorists to strike, kills innocents.

no ... but why exactly should i be in fear of that happening?That is the wicked goal of Al-Qaeda.

so you are completely ignoring the happenings atm. iraq IS indeed disarming, BECAUSE of the inspectors. according to your president thats what you wanted so whats all the bitching about? This is something that should have happened years ago and extended across to everything. Unfortunately even today games are still being played. No more.

Indeed what is the bitching about. A rotten dictator is on his way out.

[Kain]

Who to blame Bush.

[sbp]

Who to blameHussein. He's the one who kept this crap going on for years.

[Kain]

Originally posted by sbp
Hussein. He's the one who kept this crap going on for years. What "crap"?

[silence]

Originally posted by sytaylor
He is living proof that just doing something instead of dragging it though the whole world to apprve gets results. Nobody can deny the minimal casualties and massive effectivness of his removal.

minimal casaualties??.....whoooa.....only 200 000 dead before anything happened.

oh ya......no oil in bosnia and croatia or kosovo.....:rolleyes:

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by sytaylor
There should be a third option on that pole "Saddam", hmm wonder why thats not there...

It's a joke, get over it:rolleyes: