View Full Version : R600 Ruby techdemo on Youtube!!!
AthlonXP1800
03-18-07, 02:21 PM
Wow how did it get leaked behind closed door by breached NDA with cameras and camcorders forbidded? I think here are one thing that AMD/ATI never thought to added on items that are forbidded into closed meeting rooms are glasses because anyone can wear spy glasses recorded everything in the closed room without AMD realised these things can purchase cheap. :lol:
Anyway I watched it and it looked great, probably much better than Toyshop. :)
Here the direct link before AMD take it down. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6aMxPh6k0
i think this is ati's problem they spend way to much time on demo's when they should be putting out actuall cards.
Color me impressed! Red never looked so good. :p
Color me impressed! Red never looked so good. :p
all there demo's have always looked good but looking good and being late to the party again doesnt make you well liked with your hosts.
i think this is ati's problem they spend way to much time on demo's when they should be putting out actuall cards.
Right because the hardware engineers are taken away from their work to do some tech demo...
Right because the hardware engineers are taken away from their work to do some tech demo...
actually in a sense, yes, you have to put money and time and managments and developers energies into makeing the demo's, you need a full time staff and give them time that your devs could be out in the field helping to get other companies up and running to program the new hardware. remeber there isnt an infinate amount of people that can do these things and the people that are there have to devote time to get these things done, they just dont appear out of thinair ya know.
|MaguS|
03-18-07, 06:01 PM
Im not impressed at all, Ruby looked like crap... performance was poor aswell.
Looks nice but nVidia can do better!
Zelda_fan
03-18-07, 06:12 PM
Im not impressed at all, Ruby looked like crap... performance was poor aswell.
You've gotta be kidding me. *My* 8800 would slow down to a crawl if it was ever put through a render like that. If that was rendered by a R600, it's gonna blow the 8800 away.
Im not impressed at all, Ruby looked like crap... performance was poor aswell.
Ruby is just one character in that whole vid and if you look closely at the environments you'll see that they look stunning.
Nvidia made a nice vid of one person, but making a whole scene is quite different. Yes, they did a poor job at modelling Ruby, but that didn't make the techdemo any less impressive.
C'mon... Noone can jugdge R600 performance based on crappy video. Im mocap guy and it looks like in Ruby demo they mix motion capture and "hand" animation (during snowboard ride). Also, face setup (animation) is just not good enough. Im working with mocap data everyday so I just see such glitches.
Fact is:
- NVidia made 80nm GPU (G80) that WORKS and it have great performance!
- ATI made 80nm GPU too (R600), but they didn't make it faster than G80 even on higher clocks. Now they have to move on 65nm battlefield to make new GPU that have G80 performance.
Im betting that G80 can run Ruby demo very well. NVidia won battle on 80nm battlefield!
Notice a few seconds before the leaked Ruby demo ends,the 'NDA' thing mentioned after,in smallish print on the LCD screen after the 'AMD' addy ?
:D The demo is under NDA.... People are breaking it @ Cebit,as well there are 3DMark scores floating around that peg it (X2900XT) @ 17k in 05 on a 2.93Ghz C2D.
Fact is:
- ATI made 80nm GPU too (R600), but they didn't make it faster than G80 even on higher clocks. Now they have to move on 65nm battlefield to make new GPU that have G80 performance.
Wow, you can claim that as a fact without any proof can you?
You are a very special individual :)
|MaguS|
03-18-07, 11:04 PM
You've gotta be kidding me. *My* 8800 would slow down to a crawl if it was ever put through a render like that. If that was rendered by a R600, it's gonna blow the 8800 away.
And you know this because you have on hands experiance with the R600? The Demo was nothing special. Crysis looks far better and rans smoother on Nvidia Hardware.
Seriously, this is a single demo that was optimized for their own hardware yet it ran like ass. Demo's are suppose to run amazing on your own hardware because it doesn't show good performance if you can't even run it smoothly.
ATI: "Hey look at this awsome Demo for our Kick ass new card, Oh ignore the performance problems its because we designed a demo that has requirements higher then what our card can handle... oh don't worry its faster then NVidia because we say it is, not because you actually see performance and graphics that show such a feat."
Sure Nvidia's demo has only a single person but that one character had more detail then another other character in a game or demo.... and as a comparison, no other demo that Nvidia or ATI has released in the past has ever run poorly on the hardware they were aimed at when they were displayed.
Amazing!
but actually without the R600 in your computer , its nothing :bleh:
Looks really good. Hurry up ffs Ati
Scenes: 2-2.5 million triangles
Ruby: ~200K triangles, 128 morph targets for facial animation, ~200 bones for skinning animation.
Facial animation was done by filming a face of the real-world actress with a HDcam -> Motion
tracking to extract facial animation data.
Ruby's face alone got layered with 15 different textures.
Snow simulation is processed entirely on a GPU and can be dynamically melted or amplified to
increase the snow cover.
Realtime Fur simulation
Texture memory: 680 MB
This is just a quote from the youtube comments, so these numbers are probably false, but it gives you some idea of how impressive it really is.
Magus you shouldn't judge the r600's performance based on a tech demo running, at a very low resolution on youtube, on hardware that hasn't been released yet. You can't see any of the details, and I'm sure it'll look tons better in HD. :)
Wow, you can claim that as a fact without any proof can you?
You are a very special individual :)
Well... just think about it. Why ATI want to push clocks so high? If they clock R600 on (for example) 600MHz and it's better that G80, why they didn't release it? Seems that R600 is faster than G80 only at 800+MHz, but yield on that quality is propably miserable.
|MaguS|
03-19-07, 09:13 AM
This is just a quote from the youtube comments, so these numbers are probably false, but it gives you some idea of how impressive it really is.
Magus you shouldn't judge the r600's performance based on a tech demo running, at a very low resolution on youtube, on hardware that hasn't been released yet. You can't see any of the details, and I'm sure it'll look tons better in HD. :)
The hardware should be close to final, if it is not then AMD is ****ed... they have been sitting on their asses. The video shows that the demo chopped up, in HD or not in HD it still will chop if its the hardware causing the performance drops.
Who cares how good it looks if it cant run smooth, I prefer better performance over choppy great looking graphics. Which I think this demo is not that great either. I see nothing amazing about it. Atleast Nvidia releases a Demo that focuses on just making one of the best looking digital characters, they tried to make a game demo but with graphcs that have been done better.
Zelda_fan
03-19-07, 09:34 AM
And you know this because you have on hands experiance with the R600? The Demo was nothing special. Crysis looks far better and rans smoother on Nvidia Hardware.
Seriously, this is a single demo that was optimized for their own hardware yet it ran like ass. Demo's are suppose to run amazing on your own hardware because it doesn't show good performance if you can't even run it smoothly.
ATI: "Hey look at this awsome Demo for our Kick ass new card, Oh ignore the performance problems its because we designed a demo that has requirements higher then what our card can handle... oh don't worry its faster then NVidia because we say it is, not because you actually see performance and graphics that show such a feat."
Sure Nvidia's demo has only a single person but that one character had more detail then another other character in a game or demo.... and as a comparison, no other demo that Nvidia or ATI has released in the past has ever run poorly on the hardware they were aimed at when they were displayed.
:wtf:
I really wonder if we are viewing the same video, because even at youtube quality, that video looked pretty damn good (good bit better than crysis) and blows that nVidia demo away, and I didn't see any framerate slowdown (maybe the youtube compression threw you off). Ran like ass? lol look in this thread, you are the only one with that opinion my friend.
Oh and from what I've read, the R600 *was* finalized, but AMD wanted to do a die shrink to drastically reduce power consumption (the new die shrink it rumored to use only 1/3 of the power) and increase clock speed (rumored to be at 1GHZ).
It certainly doesnt trump Crysis at all,not even close o.0
Still it looked to run smooth enough to me... Low polywise if those specs are true ! Only 2 to 2.5 million !? No,I am dead serious,when you consider that
Crysis will have at least 10 to 20 times that much poly detail and UT3 will have allot more then that,and runs smooth on two year old Nvidia hardware...
So no,this 'demo' is not impressive.
SweetLou
03-19-07, 10:15 AM
Demo looks fine to me. Ruby demos are always done like this. It would be a mistake to think that based on this demo that the R600 is faster than the 8800. If it is no biggie. Just buy a R600 if you want one. Or just wait a week after the R600 hits to get nVidias new card.
It certainly doesnt trump Crysis at all,not even close o.0
Still it looked to run smooth enough to me... Low polywise if those specs are true ! Only 2 to 2.5 million !? No,I am dead serious,when you consider that
Crysis will have at least 10 to 20 times that much poly detail and UT3 will have allot more then that,and runs smooth on two year old Nvidia hardware...
So no,this 'demo' is not impressive.
Well Crysis is certaintly in a different league than every other game on market graphics-wise. But it will require a very powerful rig to run even at 20+ fps. It averaged around 20-25 fps on a 8800gtx/c2d 6800, at cebit with serious stuttering during gunfights.
And the r600 isn't just rendering the scene, as opposed to crysis, but also calculating other stuff, which certaintly has a major affect on the performance of the card(guessing here as we haven't seen the card yet).
Buenamos
03-19-07, 03:56 PM
Yeah, I think the demo looked great. Magus, maybe you could help me out. I didn't seem to notice any frame rate problems in the video, could you possibly direct me to the time in the video where this is?
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