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FastRedPonyCar
03-20-07, 01:06 PM
Intel E6600

Patriot eXtreme 2X1 gig PC2 8500 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220161)

ASUS P5N32-E (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131153)

EVGA 7600GT video card (already ordered) budget card to use until 8800's drop in price.

Corsair 520 watt PSU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001)

Zalman CNPS9500 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118223)

A few quick questions though.

For the RAM. I know that for simplicity's sake, the fact that the motherboard supports 1066 FSB, the E6600 runs at 1066 FSB and the ram runs at 1066 FSB only makes logical sense that overclocking SHOULD be fairly straight forward.

One note is that I don't plan on overclocking the cpu heavily. If I can get it running stable between 3.0 and 3.3 ghz, I'll be perfectly happy.

With that in mind, would I lose THAT much performance by stepping down to the DDR2 800 ram?

I've read good things about the patriot ram and the patriot 1066 2 gig pack has a lot of solid reviews at newegg. I notice that it's latency is 5-5-5-9 and the more expensive corsair dominator and XMS2 is 5-5-5-15. Is there any substancial difference between the two?.. or at least enough to merit the near $100 difference?

I'm asking this becuase if the performance difference between good DDR2 800 and the patriot ram I've listed isn't very much, I would gladly enjoy saving a little money and get something mabey like a pair of these. that'd be an extra $100 in my pocket to put towards an 8800 or better.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820231085

The RAM is the only question mark I still have so if you guys can reccomend me some good memory that won't kill my budget, that'd be great.

LORD-eX-Bu
03-20-07, 01:11 PM
memory looks good, you should get a Xeon 3060 tho just to be cool:p

I would invest in a better PSU tho, something around 700W at least:D

FastRedPonyCar
03-20-07, 01:20 PM
Eh from the reviews I've read, that 520w PSU can easily handle OC'd C2D cpus, water cooling, 8800GTX's in SLI and multiple drives with no problem.

I've seen no compelling evidence to spend another $50 for 100 more watts that I don't need. I'm not water cooling anyways, there's only 1 DVD drive and 2 hard drives. :/

stevemedes
03-20-07, 01:21 PM
Don't get that cooler, get this one, its the best on the market:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001

I'd go with Crucial Ballistix RAM, as they're guaranteed to be Micron D9 chips, which are the best for overclocking.

That power supply will be fine. If you think you might need a little more power, get the 620 watt unit. Corsair HX-620.

LORD-eX-Bu
03-20-07, 01:26 PM
if you are going to run sli 8800 gtx's on a 520w you are cutting it very close. If you put a water pump and all the fans you are going to need for the radiator you are going to go over what is recommended(even tho the water cooling components don't draw much).If you are going to OC with that type of setup that PSU will not be enough. I remember seeing somewhere that the PSU would be fine for 8800 GTS sli, that would probably work:)

FastRedPonyCar
03-20-07, 01:30 PM
I forgot to mention the zalman was free. I've already got it as well. Can't argue with free.

Another minor question was what the major differneces are between the ASUS I listed and this MSI version?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130081

Oh and Steve, what's the difference between these two?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148047

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146563

Besides the price? And woudl the fact that they're only DDR2 1000 vs 1066 make much of a difference?

stevemedes
03-20-07, 01:33 PM
I forgot to mention the zalman was free. I've already got it as well. Can't argue with free.

Another minor question was what the major differneces are between the ASUS I listed and this MSI version?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130081

Oh and Steve, what's the difference between these two?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148047

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146563

Besides the price? And woudl the fact that they're only DDR2 1000 vs 1066 make much of a difference?


From what I understand, those two mobos should be about the same. I'd go with the Asus personally.

The one and only difference between those two RAMs are the Tracers have LED lights on the top that move around and it has LEDs on the bottom that light up the RAM sockets. Well and also the Tracers are all black. They look sick let me tell you. I have the Tracers and I love em! I've had them up to 1066mhz 4-4-4 2.35v with no errors. Highly recommended.

DiscipleDOC
03-20-07, 01:41 PM
-LORD-eX-Bu']if you are going to run sli 8800 gtx's on a 520w you are cutting it very close. If you put a water pump and all the fans you are going to need for the radiator you are going to go over what is recommended(even tho the water cooling components don't draw much).If you are going to OC with that type of setup that PSU will not be enough. I remember seeing somewhere that the PSU would be fine for 8800 GTS sli, that would probably work:)
I agree. I would not mess with anything under a 650 PSU.

FastRedPonyCar
03-20-07, 02:06 PM
Wel.... for I guess $50, the extra 100 watts may not be too bad. It means I have to keep the patriot ram though (which I guess I wouldn't exactly be suffering)

After reading some reviews of the MSI and ASUS 650i boards, it seems that they're both pretty much the same. Getting the MSI board would help offset the cost of the 620watt psu so it looks like the MSI board for now.

Oh and I forgot to mention, I'm also getting a 22" LCD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16824014139

stevemedes
03-20-07, 02:41 PM
Wel.... for I guess $50, the extra 100 watts may not be too bad. It means I have to keep the patriot ram though (which I guess I wouldn't exactly be suffering)

After reading some reviews of the MSI and ASUS 650i boards, it seems that they're both pretty much the same. Getting the MSI board would help offset the cost of the 620watt psu so it looks like the MSI board for now.

Oh and I forgot to mention, I'm also getting a 22" LCD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16824014139

Fastredpony, about the power supply. If you want to find a nice, cheap, 600watt unit, check out jonnygurus website. He's a guru of all things power supplies and has reviewed almost every PSU there is it seems like. Here's his site:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/

I'd also refer you to this thread about PSU's, theres a link in there to a really good thread at jonnygurus forum.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=88427

Make sure you do alot of research on the PSU you get because thats arguably the most important part of your system. I bought my PSU and kinda regret it now.

FastRedPonyCar
03-20-07, 06:27 PM
Jonny guru gave the corsair 620w psu a 9 rating.

stevemedes
03-20-07, 07:22 PM
Jonny guru gave the corsair 620w psu a 9 rating.

yep, its an excellent unit.

Dazz
03-20-07, 08:13 PM
I would advise not to get the P5N32-E get the P5N32-E Plus

FastRedPonyCar
03-20-07, 09:19 PM
I would advise not to get the P5N32-E get the P5N32-E Plus

Oh I know. That was the old one that supposedly had chipset cooling problems or something. I've decided on the MSI P6N SLI Platinum as it can hit the FSB numbers I'm wanting and is a little cheaper than the ASUS and benchmarks are all pretty much dead even between the two.

Dazz
03-20-07, 09:42 PM
I have the P5N32-E sitting about never could get it to work properly.

SlieTheSecond
03-20-07, 10:09 PM
If your getting the E6600.
It has a 9x multiplier I believe?
To hit 3.3Ghz would require 336fsb at 9x.
Which would make your ram run at 672 mhz with a 1:1 ratio.
You defiantly don't "need" 1066mhz ram to overclock. You could easily get away with 800mhz ram with headroom for a higher overclock. Or even 667mhz ram with a 5mhz overclock.

"from the reviews I've read, that 520w PSU can easily handle OC'd C2D cpus, water cooling, 8800GTX's in SLI and multiple drives with no problem."

Where did you read those reviews? Nvidia themselves recommend at least a 750 watt PSU for 8800 GTX in SLI. I am willing to bet if you stick that 520 psu into a system like that your only going to get half the performance if you don't lock up and bsod.

A101Sugar
03-20-07, 10:16 PM
I have the P5N32-E sitting about never could get it to work properly.

I could take it off your hands for you :D

LORD-eX-Bu
03-20-07, 11:29 PM
You defiantly don't "need" 1066mhz ram to overclock. You could easily get away with 800mhz ram with headroom for a higher overclock. Or even 667mhz ram with a 5mhz overclock.

What if he doesn't want to have his memory at 1:1 or synced? c'mon, who cares if the nb gets hot:lol: Get the faster memory, even if you decide you want to sync it you will have very nice timings:D

SlieTheSecond
03-20-07, 11:34 PM
Well in his original post he was hinting on how the overclock would be for 1066mhz ram, and if he needed 1066 mhz ram. I explained it...

I didn't hog tie him and say not to get 1066mhz ram.

LORD-eX-Bu
03-20-07, 11:42 PM
but but but!!! :p

FastRedPonyCar
03-21-07, 08:58 AM
Well... I know that with everything I'm getting for cooling (the motherboard appears to be well setup to keep the chipset cool) but I also have a coolermaster blue ice chipset cooler and a swiftech MCX159-CU that I originally bought to use with this 2nd Abit board I'm using (see the "have you ever chipped a chip" thread) so if the platinum's heatpipe solution isn't good enough, I can always put these 2 on.

That and the zalman HSF I've got lends me to believe that if the memory/motherboard are capable of it, I guess I could technically oc everything higher but I've gotten like... 4 years of rock solid stablity out of my current system (see sig) and it's been running at those speeds since day one. I want this new system to give me the same stablity and hassle free operation for years to come.

None of these parts have been around that long to let us know whether or not it can last that long at these massive overclocks that some guys have. If the general consensus is that there's a lot more "safe" oc'ing potential from what I've listed, I'll definately go higher if I know the system will do it.

I just wanted to toss out a conservative estimate on what I want. If the performance difference though between a few extra hundred MHZ isn't much, and I can hit decent OC's with the 800 ram, I'd gladly like to save money but my main question regarding the 2 speeds of ram is whether or not (at the same overclock) would the 1066 ram benchmark faster and if so, is it much faster or is the performance margin negligable and not worth that extra $100?

FastRedPonyCar
03-21-07, 02:54 PM
well, I went ahead and ordered everything. Hopefully it will all be in for the weekend to give me something to do.