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darkbluesky
03-25-07, 07:11 AM
Hello,

I'm looking to upgrade my MSI FX5900XT for a faster AGP, before go to a major upgrade later this year (and then go PCI-e).

After looking into these forums, inet, etc for some time I have some defined choices, I'm between

1-Gainward 7600GT GS 256 MB, mem bandwidth 128 bit, 12 pipelines (1.2 ns mem access time, 575 Mhz core, 1500 Mhz memory, GDDR3) at 175 euros. For spec reference http://www.alternate.eu/html/product/details.html?artno=JAGWNL&showTechData=true#tecDat a

2-Gainward 7800GS GLH 512 MB, mem bandwidth 256 bit, 20 pipelines (1.4 ns mem access time, 500 Mhz core, 1400 Mhz memory, GDDR3) at 225 euros. I remember that the Gainward 7800GS+ was a 7900GT core with 24 pipelines, but I have not found any info on this about the 7800G GLH. Anybody can enlight this? For spec reference http://www.alternate.eu/html/product/details.html?artno=JBGWA9&showTechData=true#tecDat a

I would love to find a review of the 7800GS GLH AGP compared with the 7600GT AGP, but I can't find any review on the 7800gs GLH AGP (only one on the 7800GT GLH PCIe, which is useless for me)

On the other hand I found that the 7600GT could be almost fine with a 350W PSU (which is my current one), but the 7800GS GLH could need a 400W one, I'm not sure if I could take the 7800 with my current PSU until may when I will upgrade to a Silverstone DA850.

I would like to know which one of both gfx cards you would chose, which is faster, more OCable, and if it is worth the difference on price.

Thank you!

darkbluesky
03-25-07, 07:47 AM
Sorry, forgot my rig. My current rig is:

Asus mobo P5P800
Intel Pentium 4 560 (Prescott) @ 3.6 GHz LGA775
1 GB DDR-SDRAM 2 x 512 Mb Corsair CMX512-4400C25
Nvidia MSI 5900XT AGP

I know that that ATI card is better in AGP, but I must stay with nvidia because is the only one to support stereocopic gaming.

One of the causes I wanted to go AGP still, is to OC my CPU and RAM which has not been still profited all the room they have due to the bottleneck of my current gfx card.

That mobo is this I guess: http://www.alternate.es/html/product/details.html?artno=GPER15&showTechData=true, is it a good overclocker?

darkbluesky
03-25-07, 08:33 AM
Looking at possible combinations, and to not spend too much, if the asrock is about 55-60 euros, I have room to spend about 160 euros in a gfx card.

For this price I think the best (nvida) card I can achieve is a 7900GS. Is it better than a 7800GS GLH? It is really difficult to compare with a card (7800GS GLH) that has no benchmarks anywhere...:thumbdwn: !!

Cyant
03-25-07, 08:34 AM
I was about to recomend the same board. I have the AMD equivalent and it's not bad at all. You will probably pay less for this motherboard + a PCI Express video card than just buying a new AGP video card anyway. Plus the PCI Vid card youd get would probably be faster too. PCI-Express vid card have dropped a lot in price and AGP didn't and the choice is much better...

Cyant
03-25-07, 08:44 AM
I would say wait around April 17 when the 8600GTS are supossed to be released and get that. /nod

The GPU used is labelled G84-400. The GPU clock runs at 675MHz and GDDR3 at 2000MHz. The card is HDCP Ready.

The DX10 card, 8600GTS is supposed to take over the performance market of the 7900GS and 7950GT. from 17 Apr 2007. There will be 256MB and 512MB versions of the 8600GTS cards. Both cards will support GDDR3 or GDDR4 128bits and comes with Dual DVI, HDTV and HDCP.

The card is slightly longer than the 8600GT. It also comes with a 6 pin power connector. There are two DVI-I and a SLI connector Slot on top.

The 8600GTS will be announced and available from 17 Apr.

Pricing of 8600GTS is around $200-250
8600GT is around $150-180
8500GT is around $90

Dazz
03-25-07, 08:46 AM
I do know GeCube is brining out a X1950Pro Crossfire AGP card. Will be the fastest AGP card out.

Cyant
03-25-07, 08:49 AM
Yup but a x1950 AGP will most likely cost more than a 8600GTS PCI-Express + The DualVSTA 775 mobo together.

darkbluesky
03-25-07, 09:39 AM
A 8600GTS ~220 euros + ASROCK mobo ~60 euros + new PSU > 300 euros, I'm not sure...thinking on upgrade whole rig (so mobo + gfx again) end of this year...

Dreamingawake
03-25-07, 11:05 PM
the 1950 Pro and 7800 GS AGP would give you about the same performance with the 1950 possibly being a little bit faster in some games/apps. If you wanna stick with Nvidia, get the 7800, there's no question. It will walk circles around a 7600, 128bit mem bus.

Peace.

darkbluesky
03-26-07, 10:18 AM
I would like to see a review on the 7800 gs glh. I wrote to Gainward asking for some data, I will see if they answer properly...

BTW, the asrock mobo commented above has a VIA chipset, sometime ago I looked for this type of mobos (DDR,DDR2,AGP,PCIe) and all mobos I saw where with a VIA chipset. Do you know if all the mobos that support DDR and DDR2 are with a VIA chipset?

Admiral Horror
03-26-07, 11:46 AM
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?series=GeForce%26tra de%3B+7900&productConfigurationId=1006184

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?series=GeForce%26tra de%3B+7900&productConfigurationId=1006156

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?series=GeForce%26tra de%3B+7900&productConfigurationId=1006114

darkbluesky
03-26-07, 12:58 PM
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?series=GeForce%26tra de%3B+7900&productConfigurationId=1006184

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?series=GeForce%26tra de%3B+7900&productConfigurationId=1006156

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?series=GeForce%26tra de%3B+7900&productConfigurationId=1006114

Thank you!!! This could be my soultion, a 7950GT for 230 euros, and avoiding buying a VIA chipset board (I don't like VIA chipsets at all, and they cause sometimes problems with stereoscopic mode, AFAIK)

I know that for 60 euros more (the mobo) I could have a 8600GTS which is DX10, but still I am not too confident on VIA chipsets and...I always suspect that the first generation of cards that bring new technologies (DX9, DX10, etc) can move the new technology games "just fine" (a bit better if you have the flagship one) and always considering that the rest of your rig (CPU,RAM,...) is also top nocht (or almost)...which is not my case.
I lived this myself with the DX9 cards, I ran too soon to the shop and buy the first new tech card (without upgrading the rest of the rig), result? not bad, but less that I expected. Just my thoughts, even I am not sure if it is reasonable, but they are my feelings for the moment...

darkbluesky
04-05-07, 05:58 PM
Hello,

Sorry to bother still with this subject, after thinking about and looking to more options, I am between these now. I hope you could help me a bit:

A.- 1 x XFX 7950GT AGP 512 Mb DDR3 269 euros and to add another 2 x 512 Mb Corsair PC4400-DDR550 just like the ones I have, so I will have 4 x 512 Mb = 2 Gb for 80 euros and stay with same mobo and CPU. TOTAL = 350 euros

B.- 1 x Xpertvision/Palit 8800GTS PCIe 320 Mb DDR3 for 249-269 euros and a new mobo ASROCK 4CoreDual-VSTA for 60 euros and stay with 1 Gb DDR550 RAM (because the ASROCK mobo only allow to have 2 sticks, and I can only get 512 sticks of this memory DDR, I want to keep the DDR550 thinking in OC it). Of course stay with same CPU. TOTAL = 310-330 euros

No matter what I decide now, I will upgrade to a serious PCIe rig when Storm of War: Battle of Britain will be released (end of this year-spring 2008?), in the meantime I want to upgrade the gfx card to OC the rest of the rig.

I think the option A is more balanced with the rest of the rig (CPU, etc), but it's more expensive. I don't see the point of having a 8800GTS in a Prescott CPU, DDR1 based rig and 1 Gb RAM, as these components will bottleneck the 8800GTS down to the levels of a 7950GT (Am I wrong?), and considering that when SOW:BoB is released I'll upgrade another time mobo, DDR-->DDR2 (DDR3?), and at that time I could get a NVIDIA 9xxxGT. Of course I could change the 8800GTS in the same way I would change the 7950GT AGP when serious upgrade arrives. I mean with that, I see pointless buying a 8800GTS thinking on keep it when I'll do the "serious" upgrade...

You see the level of price I want to spend on this "prolongation of life" for my current rig. If you are not still tired of my thinking and questions, could you give me your advice about the smarter option? As you can see, it is not only about a comparison 7950GT vs 8800GTS, which I think it is clear, it is about the whole scenario/PC.

Tx a lot! Any advice is very appreciated.

Daneel Olivaw
04-05-07, 06:29 PM
B.- 1 x Xpertvision/Palit 8800GTS PCIe 320 Mb DDR3 for 249-269 euros and a new mobo ASROCK 4CoreDual-VSTA for 60 euros and stay with 1 Gb DDR550 RAM (because the ASROCK mobo only allow to have 2 sticks, and I can only get 512 sticks of this memory DDR, I want to keep the DDR550 thinking in OC it). Of course stay with same CPU. TOTAL = 310-330 euros
I think the option A is more balanced with the rest of the rig (CPU, etc), but it's more expensive. I don't see the point of having a 8800GTS in a Prescott CPU, DDR1 based rig and 1 Gb RAM, as these components will bottleneck the 8800GTS down to the levels of a 7950GT (Am I wrong?),

I say buy the 8800 and prescott, you'll do fine for gaming, then buy a cheap conroe Celeron for 60 buck in 6 months.

darkbluesky
04-08-07, 03:57 AM
So, I can get a DFI 915P-T12 (PCIe, DDR+DDR2) mobo very cheap, so I am thinking on buy a 8800GTS for 249 euros, and for the moment use my 1 GB (2x512) Corsair PC4400 DDR550 memory.

At side that 8800GTS will allow me to use DX10 (theoretically, because the rest of my rig is old...), do you think that even with 1 Gb DDR the 8800GTS will go faster than a 7950GT AGP, in my rig? Noticeably faster? even marginally?

I guess that even if both cards go same fast (in my rig) I can't go wrong with the 8800GTS (because the total price is a bit lower than the 7950GT AGP).

What part do you think that will bottleneck more the 8800GTS, the memory? the cpu? I plan to get 2 Gb DDR2 533 later when prices drop a bit.

Tx

Sazar
04-08-07, 04:01 AM
So, I can get a DFI 915P-T12 (PCIe, DDR+DDR2) mobo very cheap, so I am thinking on buy a 8800GTS for 249 euros, and for the moment use my 1 GB (2x512) Corsair PC4400 DDR550 memory.

At side that 8800GTS will allow me to use DX10 (theoretically, because the rest of my rig is old...), do you think that even with 1 Gb DDR the 8800GTS will go faster than a 7950GT AGP, in my rig? Noticeably faster? even marginally?

I guess that even if both cards go same fast (in my rig) I can't go wrong with the 8800GTS (because the total price is a bit lower than the 7950GT AGP).

What part do you think that will bottleneck more the 8800GTS, the memory? the cpu? I plan to get 2 Gb DDR2 533 later when prices drop a bit.

Tx

Probably, because the 7950 gt is even slower than teh 1950 series AGP cards.

darkbluesky
04-08-07, 08:33 AM
Well, I'm going for the 8800GTS 320 then. As initially I wanted to spend less than 250 euros, I find that the Xpertvision/Palit 8800GTS 320 at 249 euros fits just my maximum, but...

What do you think about Xpertvision/Palit, is a good company?

Can I trust their products? Or is it a matter of luck to have one that works fine?

Anyone knows where to find a 8800GTS 320 for that price (or less) in Europe (online), from a better known/trusted company?

Edit: Maybe and eVGA or XFX?

Thanks!

j0j081
04-08-07, 08:46 AM
I have the BFG 7800gs and it's really nice. Performs great in everything I've thrown at it and temps are much much lower than my old 6800.

CaiNaM
04-08-07, 12:18 PM
the 1950 Pro and 7800 GS AGP would give you about the same performance with the 1950 possibly being a little bit faster in some games/apps. If you wanna stick with Nvidia, get the 7800, there's no question. It will walk circles around a 7600, 128bit mem bus.

Peace.

actually the x1950pro is quite a bit faster than the 7800GS. the x1950 also has superior image quality (best you can get w/o buying a G80), and the ability to run concurrent aa/hdr in games like oblvion (no go on the 7800). seems the GS is also more expensive:

Gecube X1950Pro 256MB VIVO DVI AGP 116.94 inc VAT (http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119300)

BFG 7800GS 256MB GDDR3 VGA DVI AGP 160.67 Inc. VAT (http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/103597)

Well, I'm going for the 8800GTS 320 then. As initially I wanted to spend less than 250 euros, I find that the Xpertvision/Palit 8800GTS 320 at 249 euros fits just my maximum, but...

What do you think about Xpertvision/Palit, is a good company?

Can I trust their products? Or is it a matter of luck to have one that works fine?

Anyone knows where to find a 8800GTS 320 for that price (or less) in Europe (online), from a better known/trusted company?

Edit: Maybe and eVGA or XFX?

Thanks!

here is a review (http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1049/nvidia_geforce_8800gts_320mb_halving_the_memory/index.html) of the palit 8800gts

darkbluesky
04-08-07, 01:15 PM
Thanks for the review! Not say too much about OC or quality of product but it is welcome.

I guess no many people knows about Xpertvision/Palit so which do you think is better between eVGA or XFX?