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Bowen
03-27-07, 04:46 PM
According to the Ing, the GF 8800 Ultra might be released at the $1000 price point. I would be supremely pissed if Nvidia did that because it would also let ATi raise the price on their R600 as well....this would affect everyone! http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38527

I'm not sure whether or not I'll get the 8800 Ultra or the X2900XTX but I can tell you for sure that if the 8800 Ultra is $1000, I'll be getting either the R600 or the G80. Geez, you could buy two 8800 GTX cards for nearly the same price as one 8800 Ultra and I'm quite sure two GTX,s would beat a single Ultra!

Don't screw us Nvidia...please! If anything the 8800 Ultra should be cheaper than the GTX or no more than $600. Unless of course the yields are horrible on the Ultra, then that might explain the high price, but I'm just hoping this is just a wild rumor! :thumbdwn:

Xion X2
03-27-07, 04:51 PM
There's supposed to be an integrated watercooling on the card from what I have heard, but 1000$ is still ridiculous, of course.

And yes, two GTX's in SLI would smash it into the ground.

Bowen
03-27-07, 05:08 PM
There's supposed to be an integrated watercooling on the card from what I have heard, but 1000$ is still ridiculous, of course.

And yes, two GTX's in SLI would smash it into the ground.

No kidding huh. I'd say a watercooler version shouldn't cost anymore than $750. For $1000, it should be around twice as fast at the R600 and I know that's not case. At any rate, I guess we should hold off on conjecture because I can't believe that Nvidia would sell a refresh for that much money! So far the most expensive (non-watercooled) card from them was the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 and I paid $750 for mine which is ridiculous!

ViN86
03-27-07, 06:04 PM
8800 Ultra > R600 i believe

as the current 8800GTX is on par with the R600 (at the present driver release, however rumors indicate the R600 has performance increases available)

ViN86
03-27-07, 06:05 PM
No kidding huh. I'd say a watercooler version shouldn't cost anymore than $750. For $1000, it should be around twice as fast at the R600 and I know that's not case. At any rate, I guess we should hold off on conjecture because I can't believe that Nvidia would sell a refresh for that much money! So far the most expensive (non-watercooled) card from them was the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 and I paid $750 for mine which is ridiculous!
check this out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143085

note the card, the features, and the price. ;)

SlieTheSecond
03-27-07, 06:21 PM
check this out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143085

note the card, the features, and the price. ;)

Thats a rip-off tho. Not worth the price tag.

kevJ420
03-27-07, 06:41 PM
The **** out now is fast enough.

A new technique for lighting is not compatible w/ msaa and csaa. That means a lot of upcoming games won't have aa on current hw.

Isn't that more important than some benchmark scores?

However, under certain conditions I'd buy a video card for as much as they ask as long as I have the money.

famusc
03-27-07, 06:46 PM
If they don't fix Vista problems, who's gonna spend 1000$ for a card that can't either show you Windows desktop, since it keeps crashing every 2 seconds?

Xion X2
03-27-07, 06:54 PM
The **** out now is fast enough.

A new technique for lighting is not compatible w/ msaa and csaa. That means a lot of upcoming games won't have aa on current hw.

Isn't that more important than some benchmark scores?

However, under certain conditions I'd buy a video card for as much as they ask as long as I have the money.

What lighting technique are you talking about?

kevJ420
03-27-07, 07:12 PM
deferred lighting used in stalker and vegas i think.

jimmyjames123
03-27-07, 07:16 PM
Yeah, I'm sure that NV is going to want their cards priced like this: $449 8800 GTS 640MB, $599 8800 GTX 768MB, $999 8800 Ultra. That makes a lot of sense :D

I could see an 8800 Ultra being sold for that much on Ebay though.

buffbiff21
03-27-07, 07:29 PM
What lighting technique are you talking about?
:lol: pay him no heed, Xion.

anyway werent the G80 cards supposed to "natively" support water cooling? Or was that just the BGF version? I remember reading something of the sort.. i think.

RussianHAXOR
03-27-07, 07:38 PM
From what i heard, they were thinking about it but then If NVIDIA included it on the cards they would be liable for the leaks in the blocks and they didnt want that liability, i doubt there will be a reference watercooled card.

Xion X2
03-27-07, 07:39 PM
deferred lighting used in stalker and vegas i think.

If you're talking about HDR, the 8800 are the first series of Nvidia cards to be compatible with HDR + AA.

Xion X2
03-27-07, 07:41 PM
:lol: pay him no heed, Xion.

anyway werent the G80 cards supposed to "natively" support water cooling? Or was that just the BGF version? I remember reading something of the sort.. i think.

Not natively. BFG made a watercooled version, which I bought close to launch, and eVGA has come out with one called the "Black Pearl."

The BFG one now sells on Newegg as the overclocked version for 939.99$

Saintster
03-27-07, 07:41 PM
It's going to have to be a steep jump in performance and some new dx10 tech before I plunk down for another card. This 8800 has made me a happy camper so far.

LORD-eX-Bu
03-27-07, 08:04 PM
If you're talking about HDR, the 8800 are the first series of Nvidia cards to be compatible with HDR + AA.

what about all those ATI cards that were able to use HDR + AA in oblivion:p

RussianHAXOR
03-27-07, 08:12 PM
what about all those ATI cards that were able to use HDR + AA in oblivion:p

He said NVIDIA....... nothing about the first videocard.:D

LORD-eX-Bu
03-27-07, 08:13 PM
:headexplode:

Cyant
03-27-07, 08:15 PM
what about all those ATI cards that were able to use HDR + AA in oblivion:p
Reading comprehension -1

LORD-eX-Bu
03-27-07, 08:19 PM
I R baboon.

ViN86
03-27-07, 08:24 PM
:lol: pay him no heed, Xion.

anyway werent the G80 cards supposed to "natively" support water cooling? Or was that just the BGF version? I remember reading something of the sort.. i think.
natively as in you just plug the hose directly into the GPU? :D

:rofl

SH64
03-27-07, 09:00 PM
Relax its a rumor.

kevJ420
03-27-07, 09:01 PM
:lol: pay him no heed, Xion.

anyway werent the G80 cards supposed to "natively" support water cooling? Or was that just the BGF version? I remember reading something of the sort.. i think.

They can improve the air cooling drastically, water cooling won't be necessary for low temps for quite some time. Also, using 1 or 2 panaflo ultra performance 120mm fans will lower your ambient temps up to 15 C (or maybe even more) depending on your case.

Also, the gpu fans only run at .58 speed at default.

Bowen
03-28-07, 05:12 AM
As much as I like watercooling for what it does and much cooler it makes components, it still needs to come a long way before I'll buy it. All you need is one leak or one drop of water that leaks out and your whole system could be hosed (pun intended)!

I'm not talking about faulty installations, I'm talking about good installations that go bad (Next on SpikeTV...Good Installs.....GO BAD!). Water and electricity just don't mix and I'm not going to risk my whole system for a few more FPS. Anyway the very latest CPU heatsinks like the Tuniq Tower cools nearly as good as watercooling devices. Then again if you could use some liquid that's not conductive, then I'd try that. I've seen some systems submerged in sunflower oil before and work great. Not quite ready to go that route either.

Anyway, back on topic....despite the watercooled 8800 GTX at Newegg for $940....which is rape BTW, I can't possibly see Nvidia releasing a refresh at that price point! Besides, you can still find my 7800 GTX 512 for over $700 at Froogle.com! The 8800 GTX is what 1 1/2 times faster than mine.

I'm not sure whether or not I'm getting a G81/G90 or a R600, but I want to be able to choose. If Nvidia were to release this card at a $1000 price point, that would allow ATi to raise the price of the R600 to at least that. The highest release of an air cooled top of the line card (that I know of) was the 7800 GTX 512. I know it was going for over $1200 on eBay when they first came out, but the 7900 GTX debuted at what $650 or so. I paid $750 for mine so I'm really hoping Nvidia doesn't try to screw us again!