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Redeemed
04-04-07, 10:55 PM
I've been doing quite a bit of research in regards to Barcelona. Currently, I'm running an Opty185 with dual GTSs (well, I will be once I get my replacement mobo back from teh egg)- but I'm wanting to get a "new" computer featuring some of the latest tech (current-gen proc i.e. Core2 or AM2 A64, GF8 series, 2GB+ DDR2 ram, pure SATA i.e. absolutely no PATA devices, etc).

Well, I know it might seem like a no brainer to get a Core2 based setup, especially after Intel slashes the prices. Supposedly the Q6600 should go for about $266

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3397/605001ww3.th.gif (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=605001ww3.gif)

As such it would appear retarded to even consider getting an AMD based setup. Except for maybe one built around Barcelona. The problem with that is that Barcelona will be Opteron-only, and for Socket F only:

AMD (NYSE: AMD) today unveiled more industry-defining architectural features for its upcoming native Quad-Core AMD Opteron™ processors (codenamed “Barcelona”) during a presentation to the International Solid State Circuits Conference (ISSCC). In addition to the estimated 40-percent performance advantage native Quad-Core AMD Opteron™ processors can offer over the competition in benchmark testing, AMD’s redesigned microarchitecture will enable new power- and thermal-management techniques, strengthening the industry-leading performance-per-watt AMD Opteron processors currently deliver today. Among the new features are enhancements to AMD PowerNow!™ technology for dynamic adjustment of individual core frequencies.

“AMD has always focused on delivering increased levels of performance without making compromises in power efficiency,” said Randy Allen, corporate vice president, Server and Workstation Division, AMD. “‘Barcelona’ will build on this value proposition while delivering industry-changing dynamics to the x86 server market, much like the original AMD Opteron processor did in 2003. New power management features, unique to the x86 market, combined with industry-leading performance and stability, make it clear why AMD remains the smarter choice for enterprises.”


http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/AboutAMD/0,,51_52_1991~115794,00.html

So, in other words Barcelona is not exactly what the gamer should be keeping thier eye out for. Instead we should be looking for a new revision of processors from AMD, aswell as a new socket:

For the second half of 2007, HyperTransport 3.0 and Socket AM2+ will be unveiled, which are designed for the specific implementation of the aforementioned consumer quad core desktop chip series,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_K8L

Of course, there will be some interesting changes with Socket AM2+ :

Socket AM2+ will have some differences however that will be used in AM2+ chips, there are two main features in Socket AM2+ not in Socket AM2:

HyperTransport 3.0 operating at up to 2 GHz
Advanced power features summarized as having split power planes, probably one for CPU Cores, and the other for the Integrated Memory controller (IMC), this will help for more advanced power management control.
AMD confirmed that AM2 processors will work in AM2+ motherboards and AM2+ processors will work on AM2 motherboards. However, due to the lack of support of HyperTransport 3.0 and separated power planes in Socket AM2 motherboards, AM2+ chips will be limited to the specifications of Socket AM2 (HyperTransport 2.0 at the speed of 1 GHz, one power plane for both Cores and IMC). AM2 chips will not benefit from faster HyperTransport and separated power planes on AM2+ motherboards as they do not support them, AM2+ motherboard then fall back to compatibility mode using AM2 specifications.

And yes current Socket AM2 mobos will be compatible with Socket AM2+ processors, and vice versa:

The Socket AM2+ is the immediate successor to Socket AM2 currently used in several AMD processors such as Athlon 64 X2, Socket AM2+ will be a mid migration from Socket AM2 to Socket AM3 and will be fully compatible with Socket AM2, so processors designed for Socket AM2 will work on Socket AM2+ motherboards and vice versa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM2%2B

So in short, if you are on the fence about getting a new rig, and aren't sure whether or not to go with Intel or AMD... this is all just some info to be considered.

AMD is expected to cut prices really soon (rumors indicate as early as next week), even as much as selling the Athlon64 X2 6000 for about $200. Intel is supposed to cut prices as well, but that wont be untill later this year (more than likely after AMD's price cuts).

So if you went with an AMD based setup once AMD cuts their prices, you should have a system ready for the desktop revision of Barcelona. The new revision will be compatible with your current AM2 setup and should offer significant performance improvements over current AM2 procs. This would make for an inexpensive yet long-lasting setup that should become competitive with any comparably priced rig with a Core2.

I'll provide more links and info as I find it. Currently I'm looking at getting the 6000 and the ASUS CrossHair mobo after AMD cuts their prices. Then, when the AM2+ chips are released I'll get a new AM2+ cpu. If I am unsatisfied with the new CPUs performance on the CrossHair I then will get an AM2+ based mobo, probably the successor to the CrossHair.

Anyhow, I just figured I should post these findings for those here that are wanting a new rig but aren't sure what to get. I myself am quite excited about these new chips from AMD.

Anyhow, what are your guys' thoughts on this? Think AMD has a chance?

Redeemed
04-05-07, 09:24 AM
http://www.pureoverclock.com/story1019.html

So we wont get the Q6600 for $266 untill AMD brings out Barcelona. Hmm... that will be a while still.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38465

^^^Take it as you will...

http://www.techpowerup.com/?28011

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20070323VL202.html

So April 9th is the day we should expect to see these drastic drops in prices then. I am really looking forward to next Monday then. :D

DiscipleDOC
04-05-07, 09:30 AM
You dork! You put this info in the wrong forum! :p

Redeemed
04-05-07, 09:35 AM
You dork! You put this info in the wrong forum! :p

Yeah I noticed... after my second post. :o

But with that other thread being moved to the CPU forum, if a mod wants to lock or delete this thread then please do.

I don't see a need to have both of these threads when one will suffice.

Labyrinth
04-05-07, 11:45 AM
Who cares about AMD price cuts??!!

When are Intel cutting theirs?

Intel FTFW!!!! :p

six_storm
04-05-07, 11:59 AM
Even though I'd like to see AMD rise from the ashes, they are going to have work real hard to do so. If you really look at it, Intel came outta nowhere and creamed AMD with the Core2Duo. Heck, it made most of the AMD bandwagon jump over to Intel's bandwagon in a heartbeat.

My thing is that I'm broke and saving for the future marriage. Also, I've taken a look at switching over to Intel and it's just too much money. Intel is going to have to drop way down for me to switch.

Redeemed
04-05-07, 07:02 PM
Even though I'd like to see AMD rise from the ashes, they are going to have work real hard to do so. If you really look at it, Intel came outta nowhere and creamed AMD with the Core2Duo. Heck, it made most of the AMD bandwagon jump over to Intel's bandwagon in a heartbeat.

My thing is that I'm broke and saving for the future marriage. Also, I've taken a look at switching over to Intel and it's just too much money. Intel is going to have to drop way down for me to switch.

And Intel wont cut prices untill AMD releases Barcelona. While AMD should cut prices this Monday, and it is expected to be quite a significant price cut as well.

So... AMD it is for me. :D