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rek075
04-10-07, 01:36 PM
...and it was much better than I was expecting. I guess since WoW seems to be dominating the charts and everyone is talking about the newer MMO's coming out (Vanguard, LOTR-O), I thought the EQ2 experience would reflect its popularity. The graphics were great as expected (7800GS & FX-53), but there were a lot of other things about it that surprised me and kept me interested.

I'm guessing that either 1) the gameplay wasn't as polished at release and it turned people away or 2) the system requirements were too high when it was released and not enjoyable given the hardware available at the time. Or maybe its something else? What do people not enjoy about this MMO?

Tr1cK
04-10-07, 02:15 PM
Whats wrong with it? You brought up 2 points. Add the fact that Sony likes to sell virtual items for real money, pvp balance is laughable, and the fact that it's Sony and you have summed it up.

Xion X2
04-10-07, 02:39 PM
I don't enjoy it because it runs about 20fps on my system. Runs worse than any other game I have.

It looks like it could be a cool game, but I can't play games at a slideshow framerate like that. Either the game is optimized horribly or Nvidia's drivers just don't like it much. I haven't tried it on the 97.94's, however. Only the 97.92s.

rek075
04-10-07, 02:43 PM
Whats wrong with it? You brought up 2 points. Add the fact that Sony likes to sell virtual items for real money, pvp balance is laughable, and the fact that it's Sony and you have summed it up.

I have heard that the PvP balance is poor at the moment. There definately are things about the game that are bad, but the same can be said about all MMO games. Its hard to imagine that WoW has the popularity it has because of PvP balance.

I can't comment on being able to purchase in-game items since I haven't heard about this until now. How is this done?

I liked the original Everquest and so did a lot of people, so the fact that Sony is behind the game doesn't bother me a bit.

|MaguS|
04-10-07, 03:05 PM
I actually enjoyed the game alot when I played it. I quit it because I think its BS that Sony supports ingame item purchase aslong as they get a cut of the profits. If you do a search it might still be on the archive of the forum...

rek075
04-10-07, 04:58 PM
I actually enjoyed the game alot when I played it. I quit it because I think its BS that Sony supports ingame item purchase aslong as they get a cut of the profits. If you do a search it might still be on the archive of the forum...

Yes, I was able to find it: Station Exchange. As long as I'm not affected by it then I don't mind. Since only a couple servers support this feature it doesn't bother me, as I would play on a different one. From what I understand, characters on Station Exchange supported servers can't be transferred.

To be honest, I find this as a perk. If I ever wanted to quit playing I would be more inclined to try selling my character through this service than through something like a 3rd party broker, especially if its against game policy.

|MaguS|
04-10-07, 05:05 PM
Yes, I was able to find it: Station Exchange. As long as I'm not affected by it then I don't mind. Since only a couple servers support this feature it doesn't bother me, as I would play on a different one. From what I understand, characters on Station Exchange supported servers can't be transferred.

See for me it was the principle of the act. I have been an Everquest player for 5 years and throughout those years they were diehard against any player selling ingame items because they did not own them and it would be wrong to sell a virtual item that you have no real claim of ownership to. Well then they turn around and claim that its ok once they open up an ebay where they get a part of the profit? **** em!

Heres my thread on this subject...
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=49462&highlight=Station+Exchange

rek075
04-10-07, 06:01 PM
See for me it was the principle of the act. I have been an Everquest player for 5 years and throughout those years they were diehard against any player selling ingame items because they did not own them and it would be wrong to sell a virtual item that you have no real claim of ownership to. Well then they turn around and claim that its ok once they open up an ebay where they get a part of the profit? **** em!

Heres my thread on this subject...
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=49462&highlight=Station+Exchange

I can understand. I played EQ starting on release day for a few years and I remember all the controversy with EBAY and the constant struggle against bringing EQs economy outside the game. However, I don't see it as much as Sony going 180 degrees on their stance as much as them realizing "We can't stop it, so why not try to control it". I think the fact that its limited to only 2, out of 30, servers (with different rulesets) shows that its there primarily for protecting dubious trading.

Regardless of principle, as a player I think it benefits me. Besides the point I brought up above, I think this also reduces the amount of account/item/gold purchases that occur on servers not supporting the Exchange service.

DJB
04-11-07, 12:08 AM
I don't enjoy it because it runs about 20fps on my system. Runs worse than any other game I have.

It looks like it could be a cool game, but I can't play games at a slideshow framerate like that. Either the game is optimized horribly or Nvidia's drivers just don't like it much. I haven't tried it on the 97.94's, however. Only the 97.92s.

Dude, If it runs like that on your system then something isnt right. I have played EQ2 on an A643800 with a 6800GT just fine with the proper tweaking of the game.

I run it on my current system A64X2 4800 and 8800GTX with all the visuals maxed out (all sliders to the far right) with 16XAF at 1680x1050 with no problems. I don't get slideshows. Now, I am not getting 100FPS, but in this type of game who needs it? 30FPS is just fine for this style of game.

DJB

Xion X2
04-11-07, 12:25 AM
I've tried tweaking all sorts of options, and in Faydwer(?) around the mushroom guys it'll slow down to 20fps or under. I think I actually saw it hit around 10-12 once. Whenever lots of enemies are on the screen, it slows to a crawl. It does this on both a single GTX and SLI.

What drivers are you using? I'll try it out tomorrow w/ the 97.94s and see if it's improved any, but the 97.92s made it run horrible. It's the only game I have out of about 20 that runs like this.

Sgt_Pitt
04-11-07, 02:20 AM
7800gs 2 gig amd 4200 - old agp system runs 30+ frames in 1600x1200

i toggle shaders off for raids though

DJB
04-11-07, 11:34 AM
Xion,

I don't know what game settings you use so it is hard to know what to tell you to tweak. There are a couple of things though like eviromental relections update, which you should set to once as opposed to continual, and number of spells per person should probably be no more than 2. I would also limit player torches to either 1 or 2. It doesn't add anything to have every player torch around you lighting things up, it just gets overly bright, but it does slow things down. I use max light and max specular lights but you could limit those to 4 each for some help.
Also, there is no real visibile difference between the highest quality shadows, and the setting just below it, so use the setting just below the highest.

I am currently running 101.02 XP drivers.

Part of this may just be perception of what is adequate for this game. I have played alot of role playing and MMUDs over the years and I am willing to put up with slower framerates for this type of game. I am not trying to snipe some guy running flat out accross an arena from me so I don't need all those frames per second.

One other thing to play with is how many high quality characters you have drawn at one time, and how many lower quality. I used to run at 4 and 30 with my 6800GT, now I run with 8 and 40.

Also, I don't think you are going to have much of an increase going from an 8800GTX to 8800GTXSLI. I still think that you end up somewhat CPU limited. The game is just not coded all that well when it comes to offloading work from the CPU. I have always found that their occlusion calculations are practically non-existant and much is being drawn that you can't see. The game doesn't take advantage of dual cores so that is not helping you much.


Good luck!

DJB

Xion X2
04-11-07, 11:48 AM
Thanks for the tips. I've heard the 101.02 drivers are better optimized, but I can't use them since there's no support for SLI. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/icons/icon13.gif

Hambone
04-11-07, 05:54 PM
STATION EXCHANGE:
There's a lot of negative Station Exchange comments in this thread. What everyone needs to understand if they don't know is that only a small selection of the EQ2 servers are Station Exchange enabled. It's like the choice between a PVP and NON-PVP server. If you don't like it, don't start on one of the exchange enabled servers - problem sovled. Why do people insist on applying things like this to the entire game when it's simply a choice?

PVP:
EQ2 was never made for PVP. It was never suppose to be added to the game. It seems to have been a reaction to the player base and has been supported poorly since being released. PVP in EQ2 is pretty horribe - oh yeah.

The demand for PVP took SOE off guard I think. It's very hard to balance for PVP and probably a nightmare if a game was built only for PVE play. It's a miracle it exists in EQ2 at all.

EQ2 Now VS. Launch
It's pretty much a totally different game. Everything really lacking in EQ2 has been corrected. I've never before seen a game improved so much. It's just down right incredible how often EQ2 is improved. If only Blizzard would put 1/10th of the effort into improving WoW (seriously).

Most negative comments about EQ2 are based on things that were changed or corrected over a year ago. Sometimes it's funny to read things said about EQ2 and know that the people saying those things are repeating things they've heard or using experiences from a year or two ago.

Tr1cK
04-11-07, 09:00 PM
EQ2 was never made for PVP. It was never suppose to be added to the game. It seems to have been a reaction to the player base and has been supported poorly since being released. PVP in EQ2 is pretty horribe - oh yeah.


Which means that there is no class balance. You will still suck at solo if you pick the wrong class compared to a more powerful one that would just so happen to be better in pvp. Who would want to play a game where their class is clearly on the bottom of food chain? Getting owned by a mob is 10 times more embarassing than a player beating me.

Xion X2
04-11-07, 11:06 PM
Well, it still runs like crap on the 97.94 drivers. No change. I have shadows on minimal, detailed enemies 6/28, rendered distance medium, spells on 2, and several other settings on medium.. plenty enough for this game to run decent, and it still runs like crap.

So, goodbye Everquest. I hardly knew ye.

Sgt_Pitt
04-12-07, 09:32 AM
lol i just cannot believe your rig is running this game so poorly

something definatley isnt right, pfft and you call yourself a tweaker :P

Seriously man there is something wrong and it aint the game. I know this because i raid every night in 1600x1200 in customised settings and get 40-50 fps

edit: actually i think i read on the eq2 tech forums about the 8800gtx having some probs, i thought it got fixed long ago though. Go check out the eq2 tech forums

Xion X2
04-12-07, 10:13 AM
I've heard of some serious problems w/ the 8800s running this game right, but decided to take the advice of an 8800 user above and try to tweak it even more.

It doesn't run terrible all the time. If there's nothing on the screen it'll fly along at 45fps. But as soon as you get anything detailed on the screen: lighting, enemies, or flora.. the game will crawl along at 20fps.

And that's with many settings turned way down. With them turned up, it putts along at about 15fps in busy areas.

That's just unacceptable when I can run a game like Oblivion, which looks twice as good, on maximum settings with 16xAA at 90+fps most of the time.

Hambone
04-12-07, 05:29 PM
Come on man... Oblivion does not look "twice as good" as EQ2. Don't turn into one of those annoying exaggerating people.

Hand up for another 8800 user that gets good frame rates.

One thing though - they new Fay areas of the game, especially the city area and around it are very poly heavy and there are lots of "living environment" elements like butterflies and such. It's a nasty area for anyone.


And remember, Oblivion was released a year after EQ2 was released and they didn't have to worry about online multip-play. The EQ2 engine is pretty dang good. It's not highly optimized - or looks that way, but graphically it's still one of the best games out there.

P.S. MMORPG's are the devil. Stay away if at all possible.

Epyx
04-12-07, 06:41 PM
Fully modded I would have to agree with the previous poster that Oblivion looks twice as good as EQ2 and still performs better.

Even unmodded its much better looking. But thats a subjective opinion.

Xion X2
04-12-07, 11:35 PM
Come on man... Oblivion does not look "twice as good" as EQ2. Don't turn into one of those annoying exaggerating people.

Hand up for another 8800 user that gets good frame rates.

Uh oh! Looks like I hit a nerve of another MMO lifer! :rolleyes2

Do you call 17-20fps w/ medium settings on a 3 year old game on a brand new 600$ videocard "good framerates?"

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8275/everquest22007041223345qq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1193/everquest22007041223352jh2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/763/everquest22007041223355rc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3008/everquest22007041223032rc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7223/everquest22007041223334cq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Meanwhile, in the realm of Oblivion...

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8255/oblivion200704122341540or2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6083/oblivion200704122342038yn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5074/oblivion200704122342063ik8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/2231/oblivion200704122344250jn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2489/oblivion200704122347229wz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/1772/oblivion200704122350528tn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:inform: "Move along, folks.. nothing to see here... Everquest does not look or run much worse than Oblivion.... "

Badboy_12345
04-13-07, 04:37 AM
...and it was much better than I was expecting. I guess since WoW seems to be dominating the charts and everyone is talking about the newer MMO's coming out (Vanguard, LOTR-O), I thought the EQ2 experience would reflect its popularity. The graphics were great as expected (7800GS & FX-53), but there were a lot of other things about it that surprised me and kept me interested.

I'm guessing that either 1) the gameplay wasn't as polished at release and it turned people away or 2) the system requirements were too high when it was released and not enjoyable given the hardware available at the time. Or maybe its something else? What do people not enjoy about this MMO?

the world is dead and stale no life in it.. the are just 2 big cities that are too big and the loading times sucks between the zones

There is no clear path where is what its just scattered all over the place with crappy quests that you need to visit every zone to see

In wow you can just play normally and youll always have good quests to do with nice rewards. In EQ2 you must search for them or go through internet sites and forums to know where they are...


Its booooooooooooooring

its actually one of the worst and most boring mmorpgs that I have played.. even korean mmorpg where there is almost just grinding are more fun and exciting than eq2

Hambone
04-13-07, 05:49 AM
the world is dead and stale no life in it.. the are just 2 big cities that are too big and the loading times sucks between the zones

There is no clear path where is what its just scattered all over the place with crappy quests that you need to visit every zone to see

In wow you can just play normally and youll always have good quests to do with nice rewards. In EQ2 you must search for them or go through internet sites and forums to know where they are...


Its booooooooooooooring

its actually one of the worst and most boring mmorpgs that I have played.. even korean mmorpg where there is almost just grinding are more fun and exciting than eq2

LOL

1) Floating leafs, lighting, butterflys, etc etc. In the new zones... I've never seen a MMORPG with more life. You're one of those idiots that talk about 2004 EQ2 (not 2007 EQ2) like they have a clue what's going one - either using memories from two years ago or quoting other people.
2) "clear path" - that sentence doesn't even make sense.
3) There are 3 major cities, not two and a 4th is on the way.
4) There are more quests in EQ2 than WoW
5) So the quests that result in the best items and such - you're saying they have flashing neon signs in WoW but in EQ2 you just wrongly have to figure it out for yourself (LOL - even that doesn't make sense).

rek075
04-13-07, 07:01 PM
EQ2 definately does not run as well as a lot of other games out there, but I've sure enjoyed it so far. I haven't had a problem with lack of quests at all. All my game time so far as been performing quests and I'm leveling faster than I can complete them all.

glObalist
04-13-07, 09:36 PM
So how exactly does the ****ty performance of 2004 EQ2 translate to 2007? Can you post any comparison screenshots? And I mean gameplay- and graphics-wise ****ty- had to uninstall this mess after 30 mins in 2006 when the free *some* Island expansion that I got to try came around...