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AirRaid
04-12-07, 10:01 PM
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3617/lairdowngradedum8.jpg

the crap-quality image on the left is from a build of Lair running at ~30fps in 2007

the higher-quality image on the right is from a build of Lair running at 60fps in 2006

MASSIVE, MASSIVE DOWNGRADE.

that's what happens when Factor 5 had to downgrade graphics from PCs or workstations using Nvidia GeForce 7800 / 7900 GTX (maybe SLI) down to PS3's RSX.

Q
04-12-07, 10:07 PM
Source?

AirRaid
04-12-07, 10:12 PM
Source?


the comparison picture right in front of you. pretty obvious isnt it. also, do some research. it's not from an article.

S.I.N
04-12-07, 10:17 PM
the comparison picture right in front of you. pretty obvious isnt it. also, do some research. it's not from an article.

So you pulled it out your ass?

Bearclaw
04-12-07, 10:17 PM
the comparison picture right in front of you. pretty obvious isnt it. also, do some research. it's not from an article.
So what's the source? It doesn't matter that the pictures are right there, you could of just photoshopped that yourself....:headexplode:

AirRaid
04-12-07, 10:18 PM
look at the new videos

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vids_1.html

looks really bad in parts. like a PC game from 2004-2005.

I didn't photoshop anything.

Sony-fanboys in denial is funny.

Camp0rz
04-12-07, 10:35 PM
That's nothing, check out what they did with Gran Turismo:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/Camporz/ps3isgay.jpg

Bearclaw
04-12-07, 10:36 PM
look at the new videos

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vids_1.html

looks really bad in parts. like a PC game from 2004-2005.

I didn't photoshop anything.

Sony-fanboys in denial is funny.
Just saying, if you don't provide a source, it's just bull****.

And I hate sony, with a passion, so no fanboys here.

Moo
04-12-07, 10:41 PM
That's nothing, check out what they did with Gran Turismo:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/Camporz/ps3isgay.jpg

lol that's a good one :p

Camp0rz
04-12-07, 10:42 PM
No, I'm being serious. I got that from an article.

On the internet.

It's legit, trust me.

ENU291
04-12-07, 10:42 PM
I don't know about you guys but those videos look pretty freakin sweet to me. I think the best course of action is to reserve judgment until this game hits retail. IMO from what I've seen so far it looks good.
Edit: Here is a link to an image posted today on IGN. http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/780/780114/lair-20070412062404166.jpg

Source: Lair Images (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/imgs_1.html)

Bman212121
04-12-07, 10:45 PM
Lock anyone?

Q
04-12-07, 10:48 PM
the comparison picture right in front of you. pretty obvious isnt it. also, do some research. it's not from an article.

When people post things, its usually because THEY did some research. When I checked out the Properties on the image I saw it was from Imageshack, not the original source.

Pretty obvious? Right in front of me? When I said SOURCE, I meant where the **** did you get the "new" image from.

Thanks.


Edit: A legitimate thanks to ENU291 for providing the real source. You're a keeper! ;)

ENU291
04-12-07, 10:52 PM
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3617/lairdowngradedum8.jpg

the crap-quality image on the left is from a build of Lair running at ~30fps in 2007

the higher-quality image on the right is from a build of Lair running at 60fps in 2006

MASSIVE, MASSIVE DOWNGRADE.

that's what happens when Factor 5 had to downgrade graphics from PCs or workstations using Nvidia GeForce 7800 / 7900 GTX (maybe SLI) down to PS3's RSX.
Here is the full version of the cropped pic that AirRaid posted:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/780/780114/lair-20070412062358479.jpg

NaitoSan
04-12-07, 11:00 PM
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/698/698558/lair-screen-20060327004958573.jpg
Hmm I don't know what to say. I'm going to wait until Lair is out. :)

AirRaid
04-12-07, 11:03 PM
Here is the full version of the cropped pic that AirRaid posted:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/780/780114/lair-20070412062358479.jpg


looks REALLY bad, especially concidering Lair only runs at 30fps. even if this was 60fps, I would still not be impressed.

AirRaid
04-12-07, 11:04 PM
When people post things, its usually because THEY did some research. When I checked out the Properties on the image I saw it was from Imageshack, not the original source.

Pretty obvious? Right in front of me? When I said SOURCE, I meant where the **** did you get the "new" image from.

Thanks.


Edit: A legitimate thanks to ENU291 for providing the real source. You're a keeper! ;)

it still looks pretty cruddy, does it not?

*waits for people to start defending Lair* :captnkill:

Knot3D
04-12-07, 11:13 PM
The new pictures do indeed feature :

- polygon budget downscale
- reduced textures / normal maps

...but, this still doesn't prove anything for 100% about the final game.

OWA
04-12-07, 11:45 PM
The pics look pretty good but the other shot looked great. The videos I've seen so far look good so I guess I'll just wait to see how it turns out.

I don't know about you guys but those videos look pretty freakin sweet to me. I think the best course of action is to reserve judgment until this game hits retail. IMO from what I've seen so far it looks good.
Edit: Here is a link to an image posted today on IGN.

Source: Lair Images (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/imgs_1.html)
Thanks for the link to the pics. I hadn't seen those yet.

LycosV
04-13-07, 02:04 AM
ALL games start to look worse just before release. Screenshots and videos years before a game's release are mostly hype, not substance.

Badboy_12345
04-13-07, 02:22 AM
only crazy sony fanboys didnt see this coming....
Almost all the games they showed before the ps3 release were pre-renderers but people cant get that through their head :rolleyes:

Peoples-Agent
04-13-07, 04:09 AM
That texturing is awful tbh, big shame if the final game does look like that. wtf!

SebC
04-13-07, 06:13 AM
Yeah they've reduced texture and bump/normal map resolution/detail. Looks like less polys too. You guys have to take into consideration the different lighting aswell though.

Quite a shame, but it still looks decent. Btw where did you see it runs at 30FPS?
I wish Sony concentrated more on what mattered most in consoles - the GPU.

SwedX
04-13-07, 07:10 AM
That texturing is awful tbh, big shame if the final game does look like that. wtf!

Exactly it looks like s.h.i.t.e .Xbox 360 seems to have much better textures than that but it still early days!

Ahh whatever great GFX thats what I have a Pc for and great console games it will be a wii for that :D

Marvel_us
04-13-07, 09:45 AM
Hmmmm, well these are of an alpha build so I'll hold out for something more complete. The water effects from the vids looks pretty amazing but the ground gameplay still doesn't impress me that much.

The version we saw was an alpha build, but it sounds like the game is pretty close to making it to beta. Factor 5 says that its development process makes for a quick progression from the "first alpha" to the final finished form, and that we can expect to see Lair on store shelves this July.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/780/780120p1.html

EDIT: Also take note that those pics are from a 720p render and were upscaled by IGN to 1080p.