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consumed
04-18-07, 09:16 AM
Last week I bought a new computer from a local store near me. I told the guy I wanted a gaming machine that would last me a few years. Can you tell me if I got a good deal for what I paid? The computer cost me about $1800 taxes in. I did not get speakers, a monitor or keyboard/mouse with it, just the computer it self. I want to play Call of Juarez, Rainbow Six Vegas and the new one coming out Crysis.

Intel Pentium D 2.8GHz Dual Core Processor 800MHz FSB 4MB Cache
A Ninja Heatsink? It's really big and has no fan.
Asus P5B with 16x PCI-Express Slot
2GB DDR2 667MHz Syncmax Ram (I think the guy said it's actually 2x1GB?)
BFG 8800GTS 320MB OC2 PCI-E
SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS
80GB Western Digital 8MB Cache 7200RPM IDE 133
LG 18X DVD-RW IDE
Black Case, Front USB/Audio and 9-1 Memory Card Reader
OCZ 450Watt Mod Stream? Power Supply

DiscipleDOC
04-18-07, 09:24 AM
Last week I bought a new computer from a local store near me. I told the guy I wanted a gaming machine that would last me a few years. Can you tell me if I got a good deal for what I paid? The computer cost me about $1800 taxes in. I did not get speakers, a monitor or keyboard/mouse with it, just the computer it self. I want to play Call of Juarez, Rainbow Six Vegas and the new one coming out Crysis.

Intel Pentium D 2.8GHz Dual Core Processor 800MHz FSB 4MB Cache
A Ninja Heatsink? It's really big and has no fan.
Asus P5B with 16x PCI-Express Slot
2GB DDR2 667MHz Syncmax Ram (I think the guy said it's actually 2x1GB?)
BFG 8800GTS 320MB OC2 PCI-E
SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS
80GB Western Digital 8MB Cache 7200RPM IDE 133
LG 18X DVD-RW IDE
Black Case, Front USB/Audio and 9-1 Memory Card Reader
OCZ 450Watt Mod Stream? Power Supply
IMO, you could have got one with those same specs a bit cheaper than $1800. Did you get a monitor with that?

EDIT: I just read that you didn't. Honestly, I think you spent more than you should for the hardware.

Another big problem I see is with your power supply.

consumed
04-18-07, 09:32 AM
I probably should have gotten a second quote before I game him the go ahead, but I guess I have it now. Are the specs good though? Like will it last me for a few years? And what about the power supply? Should I have gotten a better one? I just left most of the decisions with him, I told him I wanted a dual core gaming computer that could handle first person games with high settings. Well, my cousin told me to ask for one of the 8800 Video Cards, and also make sure he put in 2GB of ram but other than that, the store owner put in what he thought I needed.

Also, for what I got, how much should I have paid?

a_big_burger
04-18-07, 09:43 AM
I see two problems here:

1) Intel Pentium D 2.8GHz ? Why he gave you this? Core 2 Duo is much much faster and is cheap now. Pentium D cosumes more power for much less performance. Pairing with 8800 GTS, it is like paring a fancy sports car with Honda Civic engine. (oh, well, at least Civic engine cosumes less gass....)

2) Power supply is weak for 8800 GTS

If you are not into overclocking the CPU, you don't need the fancy heatsink, stock heatsink will be fine.

For $1800, you can get a decent conroe chip with 8800GTs.

consumed
04-18-07, 09:48 AM
How much is a Conore or Core 2 Duo? Is that the same as the Pentium D Dual Core? For the Pentium D 2.8Ghz CPU he charged me $289 and took $20 off for a discount.

As for the power supply, when I picked it up, he said he installed a "name brand" power supply that would be sufficent for what he installed. On the invoice is says the OCZ cost $149.00

DRen72
04-18-07, 10:00 AM
How much is a Conore or Core 2 Duo? Is that the same as the Pentium D Dual Core? For the Pentium D 2.8Ghz CPU he charged me $289 and took $20 for a discount.

Let me point you to Pricewatch.com
That same CPU can be had for $99.00 online there. Quite simply you got owned pretty hard. You should never do business with them again regardless. To me, being overcharged this badly is quite simply dishonesty. Sadly, small PC shops owned by individuals often overcharge greatly for service and systems. The big chains or even better, online shops are the best places for deals.

The most expensive part you were sold is the 8800GTS. I sometimes build and sell PC's to people I know on the side through word of mouth, and I would have probably priced a similar rig to you for no more than $1000.00...in fact it may have been more like $800.00 and even that is making profit.

Even so, you said you wanted to play games like Call of Juarez, Rainbow Six Vegas and Crysis. With the 8800GTS you should be able to play them, but the CPU will hold you back a great deal.

SH64
04-18-07, 10:00 AM
I dont know about the exact prices , but most of the specs are good expect for the CPU & PSU.
i think a Core 2 Duo E6400 would not cost that much & yet has superior performance to the Pentium D.

consumed
04-18-07, 10:04 AM
Let me point you to Pricewatch.com
That same CPU can be had for $99.00 online there. Quite simply you got owned pretty hard. Was this a "friend" or a dealer? You should never do business with them again regardless. To me, being overcharged this badly is quite simply dishonesty.

The more retailers I visit online, the more I'm thinking this guy took me for a ride. The guy is a dealer, he owns a small shop down the road from where I live. I bought from him because he's close and has been there for a few years. It seems for the same price that I paid $289, I could have gotten even a Pentium D 3.4GHz, or even one of those Core 2 Duos being mentioned. :(
Here's a breakdown of the invoice and I was wrong, 1800 was before tax, it was $1782 + taxes:

Pentium D 2.8Ghz $289
Asus P5B Motherboard $199
2GB Ram DDR2 $289
Geforce 8800GTS 320MB Video Card $579
Creative Labs Audigy $129
OCZ Power Supply $149
80GB Western Digital $89
LG DVD Burner $69

The case was not listed so I suppose maybe it was a gift... :(

ViN86
04-18-07, 10:08 AM
The more retailers I visit online, the more I'm thinking this guy took me for a ride. The guy is a dealer, he owns a small shop down the road from where I live. I bought from him because he's close and has been there for a few years. It seems for the same price that I paid $289, I could have gotten even a Pentium D 3.4GHz, or even one of those Core 2 Duos being mentioned. :(
call him up and tell him to switch it. did you already pay?

if you didnt pay, it's not like you signed a contract or anything. so demand better parts and demand for him to quit lying.

tbh, the only part that isnt up to spec is the CPU. switch it over to a Core 2 Duo and youll have a nice gaming rig for a while :thumbsup:

(also, look into getting a higher rated power supply)

DiscipleDOC
04-18-07, 10:11 AM
The more retailers I visit online, the more I'm thinking this guy took me for a ride. The guy is a dealer, he owns a small shop down the road from where I live. I bought from him because he's close and has been there for a few years. It seems for the same price that I paid $289, I could have gotten even a Pentium D 3.4GHz, or even one of those Core 2 Duos being mentioned. :(
That's what really bug me. I hate that people with a little tech savvy, screw people that don't. I really do wish people like the one that (sold you the hardware) would get put in check.

Consumed, I hate to say it, but you really should have asked for some advice before you shelled out $1800. You should have done hours of research before you spent that kind of money.

Lessons like that are hard to learn, but also hard to forget.

consumed
04-18-07, 10:27 AM
call him up and tell him to switch it. did you already pay?

if you didnt pay, it's not like you signed a contract or anything. so demand better parts and demand for him to quit lying.

tbh, the only part that isnt up to spec is the CPU. switch it over to a Core 2 Duo and youll have a nice gaming rig for a while :thumbsup:

(also, look into getting a higher rated power supply)

Yeh, I already picked up the computer, I've been using it for the last few days.

a_big_burger
04-18-07, 10:33 AM
Pentium D 2.8Ghz $289????
I feel very sory for you! You can buy E6600 (Core 2) for about the same price in TigerDirect.com with about 40% performance increase.

a_big_burger
04-18-07, 10:34 AM
Yeh, I already picked up the computer, I've been using it for the last few days.
Can you return it? Most stores allow you to return within 30 days

WeReWoLf
04-18-07, 10:39 AM
I love screwin over those who try to screw over people who aren't tech savvy.

consumed
04-18-07, 10:43 AM
Can you return it? Most stores allow you to return within 30 days

Actually I called him this morning about the harddrive because I wanted to change it to a bigger one, but he wants to charge me a 25% restocking fee on the drive. I figure I'll just keep it and later when I need a bigger one I'll buy one then, from someone else of course.

On the invoice it says the same, "A 25% restocking fee will apply to all parts returned/exchanged"

DiscipleDOC
04-18-07, 10:54 AM
Actually I called him this morning about the harddrive because I wanted to change it to a bigger one, but he wants to charge me a 25% restocking fee on the drive. I figure I'll just keep it and later when I need a bigger one I'll buy one then, from someone else of course.

On the invoice it says the same, "A 25% restocking fee will apply to all parts returned/exchanged"
Wow. I've heard of people charging 15%, but never 25%. As I said before: Let this be a lesson you will never forget.

jcrox
04-18-07, 10:56 AM
You can build that exact same computer buying all the parts from newegg for about $900. Sorry dude, you got ripped off. I would at the very least call the guy back and tell him you know you got ripped off and that you're gonna let everyone you know in on the fact that he's a con-artist.

DiscipleDOC
04-18-07, 11:00 AM
I would also call the better business bureau and file a complaint. This guy knew he overcharged you on hardware that was a little dated.

If you wanted to, I would call him back and threaten him with filing a complaint with the BBB if he did not give you back your money.

Bman212121
04-18-07, 11:08 AM
The prices are probably about right for a small pc shop, but I definetly would not have built a pc from one. They need to have higher markups than a big store because they don't sell nearly as much volume.

The biggest thing is that you should have popped the question before you bought it. A little research at bestbuy or staples at a pre-built computer, or even Dell.com would have shown you that you might want to ask a few more questions first.

I couldn't get it exactly the same because they don't offer an 8800GTS, but with the GTX in the cart I'm about 150 over what you paid.

My Components
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6400 (2MB L2 Cache,2.13GHz,1066 FSB) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium edit
MEMORY 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs edit
HARD DRIVE 320GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™ edit
OPTICAL DRIVE Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable edit
MONITORS No Monitor edit
VIDEO CARD 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX edit
SOUND CARD Integrated Sound Blaster®Audigy™ HD Software Edition edit

That a Dell pc that I just threw together. Comes out to $1,933. If I just bought the 8800GTX seperate from newegg.com or tigerdirect.com, I could build a pc for the same price as yours. The 8800gtx is quite a bit faster than a 8800gts 320. It is currently the fastest graphics card on the market.

The processor is a lot faster even though it is running at a slower speed. Mhz isn't everything anymore, so it is important to look at benchmarks of different processors.

Vista Home Premium would probably have cost $200 to buy from the computer place, so that is a bonus here.

The hard drive is 4 times the size of the one that you purchased.

I wouldn't say that you did horrible, but there are definitely some places where it could be improved for the same price.

Monolyth
04-18-07, 11:16 AM
Yeah $900 is just insane though. I can remember looking at a 3yr old PIII machine at my local ISP charging 2k+ for it when I had a better system that cost me <1k @ home. Post up his business information please so no one here deals with him!

I agree with DDOC, file a complaint w/BBB. 25% restock is stupid. He's probably already spent the money and is trying to keep you from selling back to him. Of course eating the 25% on the whole system you could still get a pretty good machine for ~1300. Heh.

Btw any chance you are from Canada or Australia?

SlieTheSecond
04-18-07, 11:18 AM
For comparisons sake off new egg.
Same processor is $90
Same video card is $304
I will assume you have the P5B vanilla going by what he did. $122

Those three components alone is $551 cheaper. Not including the rest of your system.

I understand small shops are a little more pricey but that is just ridiculous. If I where you, I would do everything I could to get a refund. This guy blatantly ripped you off. And probably has ripped off hundreds of other people too.

The other thing you need to watch out for is old stock. Sometimes they purchase products at a high price, but then there is a price drop before it sells. I remember one comp store here was selling the amd fx-57 for over $1000 when it was worth I think $300 tops.
Right now they have the FX-62 for $1,036.00 (Canadian) and the store 20 mins away has it for $648.

CaptNKILL
04-18-07, 11:21 AM
Wow, I think you got ripped on that one.

An $1800 PC with no monitor or peripherals should be top of the line with at least a single 8800GTX and a high end Core 2 duo (maybe even a quad). That P4 has no business being in a gaming rig. They aren't crap, but if you specifically asked or a gaming system he should never have even considered a Pentium 4 of any kind, let alone one that slow.

EDIT:

At newegg I just built a PC with the following specs:
Asus P5B motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (2.13Ghz... and probably twice as fast as the P4 in some cases)
2Gb G.Skill PC-6400 DDR2
eVGA Geforce 8800GTX 768Mb
Vista Home Premium 32bit
OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU
Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty
2 Lite-On 20x DVD burners
Seagate 7200.10 320Gb SATA hard drive
Antec P180B case

... for $1700 shipped

You should definitely contact this person and try to get a refund. Seriously. If you asked him to give you something that'd last you a while for $1800, he took advantage of you. You'll be lucky to have current games run well with that CPU, the video card is fast but doesn't have much memory, which seriously limits its longevity... and don't get me started on the 80gig hard drive. The price difference between an 80gig and a 320gig is maybe $30. He had no business giving you one that small.

Bman212121
04-18-07, 11:28 AM
For comparisons sake off new egg.
Same processor is $90
Same video card is $304
I will assume you have the P5B vanilla going by what he did. $122

Those three components alone is $551 cheaper. Not including the rest of your system.

I understand small shops are a little more pricey but that is just ridiculous. If I where you, I would do everything I could to get a refund. This guy blatantly ripped you off. And probably has ripped off hundreds of other people too.

The other thing you need to watch out for is old stock. Sometimes they purchase products at a high price, but then there is a price drop before it sells. I remember one comp store here was selling the amd fx-57 for over $1000 when it was worth I think $300 tops.
Right now they have the FX-62 for $1,036.00 (Canadian) and the store 20 mins away has it for $648.

That's what I'm guessing is with the P4. When the store owner bought a bunch of processors probably a year ago, he probably paid $150 - $200 himself for them. So put on a markup, and $279 isn't that far out of the question.

The only part that I can't even figure out why it is so expensive is the graphics card.

The other big question is did they assemble it for you, or did you have to build it? That's another reason why stuff would cost more if someone built the whole thing for you.

a_big_burger
04-18-07, 11:45 AM
Actually I called him this morning about the harddrive because I wanted to change it to a bigger one, but he wants to charge me a 25% restocking fee on the drive. I figure I'll just keep it and later when I need a bigger one I'll buy one then, from someone else of course.

On the invoice it says the same, "A 25% restocking fee will apply to all parts returned/exchanged"

I guess if you return your PC, take the 25% loss and buy a PC with the price we recommand, you may still end up with a much much faster PC with less price! This is just my thought ...... because he overcharged you more than 25%..... Quote:
"For comparisons sake off new egg.
Same processor is $90
Same video card is $304
I will assume you have the P5B vanilla going by what he did. $122

Those three components alone is $551 cheaper. Not including the rest of your system."

Tr1cK
04-18-07, 11:51 AM
Don't people ever research anything before they throw out money? Ever heard of a second opinion? I think it's a lesson now learned.