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Zorn
05-04-07, 05:39 PM
I recently picked up a Sharp 32GP1U 1080p gaming LCD, but I'm debating if I should get the 3007WFP-HC instead. I got my Sharp for $750, so I could probably make some money on it if I sold it, but the one thing that worries me is gaming at 2560x1600. I play lots of games, and even though I have an 8800GTX I have still read that the extreme high resolution of the 30" causes slowdown.

What would you guys recommend? I'm having a tough time deciding.

Zorn
05-04-07, 05:48 PM
Gaming at 2560x1600 is impressive but you should get SLI for that res to prevent frequent slowdowns.

Yeah this is what has me worried, after already spending the money on a nice display it would hurt to have to buy another video card. Not to mention my motherboard doesn't support SLI... I got the Core2 right when they came out and the only real choice of mobo was the Asus P5WDH, I wish I had waited and got a 680i SLI board.

Amuro
05-04-07, 09:34 PM
The 3007 only has a DVI-D input, no VGA, component, etc, and uses dual-link DVI cables. Only supports two resolutions, 2560x1600 and 1280x800, for anything else you have to rely on your videocard to do the upscale.

If you only plan to connect the monitor to a PC for gaming, then it's a great choice, but not good for console gaming.

kevJ420
05-05-07, 02:12 AM
If the sharp has a wide color gamut (I don't know) then I'd recommend staying with it. I think wide color gamuts are the next big thing other than lcds having ref. rates >60Hz.

Otherwise I'd recommend staying with the dell, getting an hdmi->dvi adaptor or 2, and then you can play a x360 elite and/or PS3 on the dell.

Also, you'll need an SPDIF optical Linear PCM 2 channel uncompressed digital sound setup.

Or if you prefer positional audio over clarity (5-7.1 setups are compressed) then I guess you'd want dolby digital or dts or some **** like that.

Amuro
05-05-07, 05:52 AM
If the sharp has a wide color gamut (I don't know) then I'd recommend staying with it. I think wide color gamuts are the next big thing other than lcds having ref. rates >60Hz.

Otherwise I'd recommend staying with the dell, getting an hdmi->dvi adaptor or 2, and then you can play a x360 elite and/or PS3 on the dell.
Also, you'll need an SPDIF optical Linear PCM 2 channel uncompressed digital sound setup.

Or if you prefer positional audio over clarity (5-7.1 setups are compressed) then I guess you'd want dolby digital or dts or some **** like that.
Not sure about the XBox 360 Elite, but you'll get a blank screen with the PS3 on the Dell 3007WFP-HC due to lack of scaling from either the monitor or PS3.

Zorn
05-05-07, 02:00 PM
I don't plan to use either monitor for anything except computer use/gaming.

Amuro
05-06-07, 12:23 AM
I don't plan to use either monitor for anything except computer use/gaming.
Then the 3007 would be a great choice if you have the setup to drive it.

stncttr908
05-06-07, 09:39 AM
Just be prepared to upgrade the rest of your bits very often to push the newest titles at that resolution. :D

Zorn
05-06-07, 02:43 PM
Then the 3007 would be a great choice if you have the setup to drive it.

Do you think a single 8800GTX is good enough to drive it?

OrangeBlast
05-06-07, 03:24 PM
You can game at the high a resolution on that sharp screen??

I have the 42inch Sharp 1080p and the higest it will do is 1920x1080. Unless I'm understanding this wrong here...

jAkUp
05-06-07, 03:33 PM
1080p is 1920x1080 :) You can't go higher. The Dell 30" will support up to 2560x1600.

Amuro
05-06-07, 10:30 PM
Do you think a single 8800GTX is good enough to drive it?
I'd say enough for 75% of the games out there, but there are a few games even a 8800 GTX SLI setup will have trouble running 2560x1600 @ max setting, like Rainbow Six Vegas.

Amuro
05-07-07, 10:40 PM
Vegas performed good at that res except the last level on the dam.
Did you have 16xAA on? @1920x1200, I need to tune the AA down to 8x or 4x to avoid slowdown, and I'm not even talking about the last level.

Zorn
05-10-07, 09:37 PM
In the end, certain types of text (colored text mostly) were not very sharp on the Aquos and I think the pixel pitch was bothering me. I put it up on eBay and ordered the 3007WFP-HC. Can't wait to try it out!

DarkJedi664
05-10-07, 10:21 PM
With the 30" Dell, you can't watch Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies on it at full 1080p :( Due to the HDCP port on the 8800 (and I'm sure other HDCP nvidia cards) only supports HDCP on single link, ie up to 1920x1200 res. That's a major reason why I wont upgrade to a 30".

Amuro
05-11-07, 12:16 AM
With the 30" Dell, you can't watch Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies on it at full 1080p :( Due to the HDCP port on the 8800 (and I'm sure other HDCP nvidia cards) only supports HDCP on single link, ie up to 1920x1200 res. That's a major reason why I wont upgrade to a 30".
Same here why I chose the 2707.

Zorn
05-11-07, 09:29 PM
With the 30" Dell, you can't watch Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies on it at full 1080p :( Due to the HDCP port on the 8800 (and I'm sure other HDCP nvidia cards) only supports HDCP on single link, ie up to 1920x1200 res. That's a major reason why I wont upgrade to a 30".

Well yeah but I would never watch movies on my computer...my Media Center & TV are about 8 feet away from me I would just watch them there.

Zorn
05-22-07, 01:56 AM
My 3007WFP-HC got here last week and I absolutely love it. The extra screen area is awesome and games look amazing. It's a night and day improvement over the Sharp. Thanks for all of your input guys.

As for gaming at 2560x1600, most everything is fine with my 8800GTX. I think that if the 8900GTX comes out in time for me to step up, that will give the added boost to not feel any slowdown.

KoRnfR3ak
07-17-07, 11:46 AM
With the 30" Dell, you can't watch Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies on it at full 1080p :( Due to the HDCP port on the 8800 (and I'm sure other HDCP nvidia cards) only supports HDCP on single link, ie up to 1920x1200 res. That's a major reason why I wont upgrade to a 30".Upcoming cards won't have that problem. I think they fixed that issue already on the 8600 card (not sure though).I thought this would be a good thread to place this question.
Anyone knows where I can find these two lists:
- a list of Geforce 7 and 8 video cards that can drive the Dell 3007 (dual-link DVI, support 2560x1600 resolution);
- a list of Geforce 7 and 8 video cards that can drive the Dell 3007 (dual-link DVI, support 2560x1600 resolution), and also support HDCP on dual-link DVI, so I may watch Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies on the 3007 at some resolution better then 1280x800.

Thanks :)

KoRnfR3ak
07-18-07, 04:32 AM
I found a list of video cards with dual-link DVI (support 2560x1600 resolution) here (http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_extreme_hd_gpu.html), and also a HDCP ready video card list here (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1071342).

Card's that currently support HDCP on dual-link DVI:
- All retail HD 2900 XTs
- All retail HD 2600 XTs PCI-E and AGP
- All retail HD 2600 Pros PCI-E and AGP
- All retail HD 2400 XTs PCI-E and AGP
- All retail HD 2400 Pros PCI-E and AGP
- All retail 8600 GTSs
- Some 8600 GTs
- Some 8500 GTs
It is important to emphasize the fact that HDCP is supported over dual-link DVI, allowing 8600 and 8500 hardware to play HDCP protected content at its full resolution on any monitor capable of displaying 1920x1080. Pairing one of these cards with a Dell 30" monitor might not make sense for gamers, but for those who need maximal 2D desktop space and video playback, the 8600 GT or GTS would be a terrific option. Performance was measured while the HD-DVD was being played back was being run full-screen on a Dell 3007 display (30", supports HDCP, 2560x1600), which isn't possible with any other consumer graphics hardware at the time of writing. Hardware like GeForce 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon X1950 XTX, despite being more powerful in terms of general performance, only supports HDCP on one of its dual DVI links, per DVI port. The Dell 3007's HDCP support with one link is limited to running the display at 1280x800 (one quarter the native resolution) with simple pixel scaling. Image quality under those conditions is unacceptable for that panel, since it has no video scaler.

While the number of people looking to use the Dell 3007 and similar displays as a HDTV (even part of the time) is minimal, it's a niche market that GeForce 8600 GTS addresses, and addresses alone at the time of writing.

Most cards can't protect both DVI links here (2560x1600) and HDCP is therefore shown as inactive. That's the case for everything other than 8600 GTS (and HDCP 8600 GTs and 8500 GTs), and with WinDVD, playback fails with a handy Stop message. Drop down to 1280x800 however, and HDCP is active on the single link.http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2500/hdcpoverduallinkdviwu3.png


(google)

Amuro
07-18-07, 07:34 AM
8800 cards don't support HDCP over dual link?