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Phyre
05-10-07, 10:53 AM
If you have a raiding rogue, post some of your butt-kicking dps screens!

This is from our latest Magtheridon kill without flasks.

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Phyre

McTurok
05-10-07, 11:00 AM
Grats on being one of those that got to dps for that fight.

Phyre
05-10-07, 01:45 PM
I'm on Earthen Ring.

Phyre

lIqUID
05-10-07, 04:36 PM
raiding is meh, been there done that : /

I do PVP only on my rogue, Armory here

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Lethon&n=Liq

nailed this warrior for about 5500(double MUT crit with max envenom crit) in EoTS awhile back. Got an SS of a 4k+ ambush crit in WSG from a couple months ago(different spec). i did have beserker buff but man it was nice heh.

lostlilchild66
07-02-07, 11:49 PM
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=es2txa53ss5pc


<--- Vulcan


My armory link: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Vulcan

Phyre
07-05-07, 09:13 AM
Good stuff there, Vulcan. I wish we could have the drops you guys have. We're constantly getting caster stuff. Karathress has yet to drop the chestpiece, Tidewalker won't drop the sword, and Leo abstains from dropping the Tsunami Talisman.

I'll probably be switching to swords soon since they're better dps these days. That's going to be hard to do since I've always been daggers at heart.

Here's an updated armory as well. DPS has improved from the last posting of course.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Earthen+Ring&n=Barleystout

Barley

jolle
07-05-07, 03:43 PM
how is swords better?
Using a combat dagger build now for Karazhan.
Doing nice damage during raid, swords isnt a option atm sicne I dont have any good ones hehe.
But please do explain why they are better, and by how much.

Yojack
07-05-07, 04:06 PM
Yes, THAT Yojack =) http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Yojack


http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6245/dps1wj8.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dps1wj8.jpg)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9621/dps2fw0.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dps2fw0.jpg)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8537/dps3px0.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dps3px0.jpg)

anxdiety
08-01-07, 10:23 PM
Damn I haven't posted on these forums in a dogs age. But I'll try to snag some screenies from some raids this week. I usually top our damage meters in our guild. Minus a few fights of course.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mal'Ganis&n=Anxty

PS its fun being the only rogue in a raid. Stack your group for mad dps with an Enh shammy, Fury Warrior, Feral Druid and a Dreani BM hunter. We just downed Vashj last week for the first time. Dirtiest kill that could have been possible. 2 pallies, and myself left with 1% watching Curse of Doom tick standing in the enrage pool of death with Cloak of Shadows ticking down as she dies.

Added recent Vashj kill Dps meter. This was before I got my helm (4/5 t5 and Belt).

Son Goku
08-14-07, 01:39 PM
Damn I haven't posted on these forums in a dogs age. But I'll try to snag some screenies from some raids this week. I usually top our damage meters in our guild. Minus a few fights of course.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mal'Ganis&n=Anxty

PS its fun being the only rogue in a raid. Stack your group for mad dps with an Enh shammy, Fury Warrior, Feral Druid and a Dreani BM hunter. We just downed Vashj last week for the first time. Dirtiest kill that could have been possible. 2 pallies, and myself left with 1% watching Curse of Doom tick standing in the enrage pool of death with Cloak of Shadows ticking down as she dies.

Added recent Vashj kill Dps meter. This was before I got my helm (4/5 t5 and Belt).

Yeah, but when you get 2 rogues in a party, things can get interesting. Haven't raided with one, as my main is a hunter, but have been partied before. After about 1 or 2 kills, I'm like "oh, I guess we're both going to try to eviscerate at the end" :lol2: It was one of those things, working it out so we could both get the finishing move in at the end :D

Tr1cK
08-14-07, 01:54 PM
Yeah, but when you get 2 rogues in a party, things can get interesting. Haven't raided with one, as my main is a hunter, but have been partied before. After about 1 or 2 kills, I'm like "oh, I guess we're both going to try to eviscerate at the end" :lol2: It was one of those things, working it out so we could both get the finishing move in at the end :D

I ran Mana Tombs on my druid lastnight. I tanked the whole thing with 2 rogues and a hunter as dps. I topped the meters and noticed I got a lot of killing blows. I guess they were competing too hard for eviscerates. :p

nVJoe
08-14-07, 02:03 PM
raiding is meh, been there done that : /

I do PVP only on my rogue, Armory here

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Lethon&n=Liq

nailed this warrior for about 5500(double MUT crit with max envenom crit) in EoTS awhile back. Got an SS of a 4k+ ambush crit in WSG from a couple months ago(different spec). i did have beserker buff but man it was nice heh.
NO WAY YOU KILLED A WARRIOR!? Screen shot or it didn't happen.

:D I'm just kidding.

Good stuff there, Vulcan. I wish we could have the drops you guys have. We're constantly getting caster stuff. Karathress has yet to drop the chestpiece, Tidewalker won't drop the sword, and Leo abstains from dropping the Tsunami Talisman.

I'll probably be switching to swords soon since they're better dps these days. That's going to be hard to do since I've always been daggers at heart.

Here's an updated armory as well. DPS has improved from the last posting of course.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Earthen+Ring&n=Barleystout

Barley

how is swords better?
Using a combat dagger build now for Karazhan.
Doing nice damage during raid, swords isnt a option atm sicne I dont have any good ones hehe.
But please do explain why they are better, and by how much.

For raiding, swords are better because you don't have DPS spikes and draw less aggro. You put out high but even damage. Rogues like mages are so impressed with their DPS that they don't hold back.

Go daggers to get Cold Blood and Prep. That is the traditional rogue PVP spec.

anxdiety
08-15-07, 10:34 PM
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=44f5afl6cah5y

From our most recent raid on Tuesday.


Also swords are more dps mathematically than daggers. Not even taking positioning into consideration. Not to mention the difference in scaling once you start looking at haste gear later on.

Rogue pvp is meh at the moment. In high end 5v5 in arena's we definitely need some help. 30/0/31 daggers is now really bad for high end PvP. You would actually want to consider combat maces for the stun effect. The reason behind that is daggers rely on soo much crit and with resilience its horrible. Most good PvP'ers actually have upwards of 400+ resilience now. That's a huge reduction. I only pvp now just to get welfare points and pick up cheap weapons while I wait for them to drop in raids.

Phyre
08-16-07, 10:13 AM
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=44f5afl6cah5y

From our most recent raid on Tuesday.


Also swords are more dps mathematically than daggers. Not even taking positioning into consideration. Not to mention the difference in scaling once you start looking at haste gear later on.

Rogue pvp is meh at the moment. In high end 5v5 in arena's we definitely need some help. 30/0/31 daggers is now really bad for high end PvP. You would actually want to consider combat maces for the stun effect. The reason behind that is daggers rely on soo much crit and with resilience its horrible. Most good PvP'ers actually have upwards of 400+ resilience now. That's a huge reduction. I only pvp now just to get welfare points and pick up cheap weapons while I wait for them to drop in raids.

I wanted to do the same with the weapons and arena as well. But, with work and raiding, I'm generally too busy to worry about arena. I so miss PvP though. I love it.

Also, we've moved into Hyjal and BT recently, and the weapons that are dropping are in-line with the season 2 stuff. I'm pretty much not worrying about the arena weapons because of that.

Swords became better DPS when they changed the Windfury proc. to a true extra attack. By that I mean it doesn't reset the swing timer anymore. It was a simple change, but it made all the difference. BTW, I still haven't moved to swords yet. HAHAHA!

Phyre

nVJoe
08-16-07, 10:24 AM
I ran Mana Tombs on my druid lastnight. I tanked the whole thing with 2 rogues and a hunter as dps. I topped the meters and noticed I got a lot of killing blows. I guess they were competing too hard for eviscerates. :p
I HATE DROODS with a passion! Blizzard broke druids when they made them the tank and self healers.

No offense but the fact that you were top on the DPS meter only proves the point that druids are one messed up class. It takes NO skill to play them.

I stopped being a tank when a dumb arss druid with no skill can have more HP than me, more armor, more DPS and better aggro management.

I'm not slamming you Tr1ck. I'm sure you are a skilled player. I am pissed at Blizzard for further unbalancing of the classes. They made warriors useless and a waste of time to play. Warriors are only as good as their healer. Druids are only as good as their macros.

Oh and don't get me started in on Pallies and Mages.

Just balance the classes out Blizzard, instead of forcing every one to play just a couple of classes.

jolle
08-16-07, 10:32 AM
Classes seem to shove around a bit.
Im not to well read up on that but a guildie keeps saying that Priests are now prefered as shadow with DPS, druids as healers and Boss tanks, with pallys as grouped mob tanks.

From own experience I havent been able to steal agro with my rogue from a buddy that tanks as pally, while I have to watch it with warrior tanks.
And our shadow priests die on every pull in Karazhan due to over agroing and does massive dps.

nVJoe
08-16-07, 10:41 AM
Classes seem to shove around a bit.
Im not to well read up on that but a guildie keeps saying that Priests are now prefered as shadow with DPS, druids as healers and Boss tanks, with pallys as grouped mob tanks.
Yeah, warriors are just not need any more.

From own experience I havent been able to steal agro with my rogue from a buddy that tanks as pally, while I have to watch it with warrior tanks.
And our shadow priests die on every pull in Karazhan due to over agroing and does massive dps.
That is because pallies cause high threat with their spells. Warriors have only a couple of threat possibilities. They reduced threat on two of the threat talents which made no sense.

Shadow priests are idiots. They have NO clue how to manage their aggro. They throw out their top ranked shadow spell and cry "REZ ME" after they pulled off the tank. Worse yet, they run around like chickens with their heads cut off crying "I GOT AGGRO GET IT OFF ME!" Stop running around you idiot and run to the tank.

Shadow damage might be the highest threat spell out there. I'm not sure but it has to be close to the highest.

nVJoe
08-16-07, 11:25 AM
I just found this on the WoW forums. This guy is a friking idiot.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965650880&sid=1
EDIT: Just noticed -

Warriors are the best tanks in the game. This class was designed the same way you see most warriors in other games designed. Focused on heavy armor and protection skills while still providing dps as an alternate means of speccing if desired. Rage was an issue for a while especially with the buff to druids, so warriors were given more rage to offset this. Warriors should be the best at tanking while being comparable to rogues in dps as long as they spec into it.

Let Blizz's hardon for warriors continue...
What a complete moron. He is complaining about warriors. They are the most pathetic class in the game. If they don't have a healer they are brought down with ease. Secondly it is the Druid that Blizzard has gone nuts over and his candy arss has the balls to complain. Druids are gods in WoW right now.

I can't believe druids are complaining in that thread. They can do it all. Shoot I saw a druid walk up to Ragnoros and demand his loot. Rag gave it over and ran away with his tail between his legs.

Seriously druids need to shut their mouths. They have it easy.

Phyre
08-16-07, 11:54 AM
DPS casters are idiots. They have NO clue how to manage their aggro. They throw out their top ranked shadow spell and cry "REZ ME" after they pulled off the tank. Worse yet, they run around like chickens with their heads cut off crying "I GOT AGGRO GET IT OFF ME!" Stop running around you idiot and run to the tank.

Fixt! :)

Being a dagger rogue, it's all the more noticed. Having to shift positions 4-6 times on one trash mob because some mage, warlock, or shadow priest pulls aggro is so frustrating. It's really frustrating when you're chasing the mob back to the culprit and they are in the middle of casting another stupid high threat spell as the mob is about to give them a trip to the spirit healer. >.<

Phyre

nVJoe
08-16-07, 12:05 PM
Fixt! :)

Being a dagger rogue, it's all the more noticed. Having to shift positions 4-6 times on one trash mob because some mage, warlock, or shadow priest pulls aggro is so frustrating. It's really frustrating when you're chasing the mob back to the culprit and they are in the middle of casting another stupid high threat spell as the mob is about to give them a trip to the spirit healer. >.<

Phyre
Mages and shadow priests are the worst tho. Locks rarely pull aggro. When mages and shadows pull aggro I just stand there and wait for the mob to come back.

When I was tank I would not go back and pull the mob off of that caster. As soon as that caster dies, the mob will come back to me. :) That caster bitches and moans that I didn't do my job. My reply was, no I was doing my job. You weren't doing yours very well. My job is to tank, not watch you show how much DPS you can pump into a mob and get your self killed. I am not here to keep YOU alive. We are all here to reach the goal of getting the mad lootz as a group. To do that we all need to do our jobs.

Eventually the casters understand my point or they get tired of dying so they don't pull aggro any more. When they do it is a accident or freak crit and they run to me so I can taunt it back off. If it is a accident then yes I will run to them and pull it off but those who just want to top the DPS meter, I let die. They can't be at the top of the meter if they can't cast. :D

Tr1cK
08-16-07, 01:28 PM
I HATE DROODS with a passion! Blizzard broke druids when they made them the tank and self healers.

No offense but the fact that you were top on the DPS meter only proves the point that druids are one messed up class. It takes NO skill to play them.

I stopped being a tank when a dumb arss druid with no skill can have more HP than me, more armor, more DPS and better aggro management.

I'm not slamming you Tr1ck. I'm sure you are a skilled player. I am pissed at Blizzard for further unbalancing of the classes. They made warriors useless and a waste of time to play. Warriors are only as good as their healer. Druids are only as good as their macros.

Oh and don't get me started in on Pallies and Mages.

Just balance the classes out Blizzard, instead of forcing every one to play just a couple of classes.

NP :p

In my defense, I was a 60 raiding Shaman back in the day. Then I rolled a feral Druid up to 60 WAY before TBC and before they had decent specs and gear itemization. I was one of very very few ferals on the server. I then rerolled on another server and played up to 60 then 70 as a tanking Warrior. I have now transfered all my toons to one server and the Warrior is still my main, but I have too much fun on the Druid and yes we are overpowered when it comes to PvE. Before 2.0 though, we were one of the worst classes to play.

nVJoe
08-16-07, 02:08 PM
NP :p

In my defense, I was a 60 raiding Shaman back in the day. Then I rolled a feral Druid up to 60 WAY before TBC and before they had decent specs and gear itemization. I was one of very very few ferals on the server. I then rerolled on another server and played up to 60 then 70 as a tanking Warrior. I have now transfered all my toons to one server and the Warrior is still my main, but I have too much fun on the Druid and yes we are overpowered when it comes to PvE. Before 2.0 though, we were one of the worst classes to play.
This is true and that is the problem I have with Blizzard. They ignore a class like druids for a long time. Later they make them uber and totally throw the class balance out of wack. It isn't druids I hate. It is Blizzard's inability to tune the characters evenly.

BTW, after Shaman were nerfed, they became useless. They are now the new hunters, no one wants them in their group. LOL! I don't feel too bad because shammies used to be the gods of WoW for a long time. LOL! I would take a pally over a Shammie in a group in a milisecond. Pallies are just awesome for group. Their one draw back is the people who play pallies are FRIKING STUPID!

Tr1cK
08-16-07, 02:21 PM
This is true and that is the problem I have with Blizzard. They ignore a class like druids for a long time. Later they make them uber and totally throw the class balance out of wack. It isn't druids I hate. It is Blizzard's inability to tune the characters evenly.

BTW, after Shaman were nerfed, they became useless. They are now the new hunters, no one wants them in their group. LOL! I don't feel too bad because shammies used to be the gods of WoW for a long time. LOL! I would take a pally over a Shammie in a group in a milisecond. Pallies are just awesome for group. Their one draw back is the people who play pallies are FRIKING STUPID!

I agree.

Pallies are great healers and cleaners and can be great as Prot too. Shaman need help badly. The only hunters worth anything anymore are BM. Druids can tank and heal well, but the cat dps is lacking on high end raids. The saddest class is warriors, no doubt. Out tanked and out dpsed by everyone else.

nVJoe
08-16-07, 02:30 PM
I agree.

Pallies are great healers and cleaners and can be great as Prot too. Shaman need help badly. The only hunters worth anything anymore are BM. Druids can tank and heal well, but the cat dps is lacking on high end raids. The saddest class is warriors, no doubt. Out tanked and out dpsed by everyone else.
Yep. They are the only class completely dependent on another class for PVP. Since the betas where the warrior way way over powered, warriors have been left alone. I always thought that warriors were well balanced for a year or so and they are still pretty well balance. The problem is every one else has surpassed them with their improvements. I don't think warriors need to be beefed up. I think the other classes need to be rolled back a bit.

Tr1cK
08-16-07, 02:39 PM
F-that, BEEF ME!!!:D