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Tygerwoody
05-22-07, 11:42 AM
I host UT2k4, CSS, BF2, and other game servers quite alot. Over time, the pings get EXTREMELY bad, even with only a small group of people playing. If I completely bypass the router and just use a switch, the lag/pings are back to normal. My router(some Linksys wireless garbage router) seems borked. I updated the firmware and it still is messed up. I need a new one.

I don't need wireless. If I got a router with wireless, it would just get disabled as I don't trust it. All I do is port forwarding for my server PC.

What is a good/cheap router I can buy? All it needs to be able to do is allow me to host online WAN(not LAN) game servers without dreaded ping problems.

Thanks :D

superklye
05-22-07, 11:57 AM
Do you have the Linksys WRT54GS SpeedBoost router? I've got that one and it's notorious for never closing out connections so it eventually loads up completely and you can't get online, requiring a hard reset to factory defaults every couple of months.

It's absolutely ridiculous. Worst router I've ever owned.

evilghost
05-22-07, 12:43 PM
Put OpenWRT on it and QoS prio TCP ACK and UDP datagrams less than 500 bytes.

http://www.openwrt.org

The QoS works great.

superklye
05-22-07, 12:57 PM
If you were talking to me, my router can't have it because it doesn't have the memory inside as the older Linksys routers do. It's version 7 or whatever. I'm SOL all around. When it works, it's great, but it's so annoying/frustrating to have to re-enter all those MAC addresses every few months.

evilghost
05-22-07, 12:59 PM
I use a WHR-G54S, I paid about $40 for it from BreastBuy. Slapped OpenWRT on it.

Kayden
05-22-07, 01:00 PM
there isn't any real good cheap routers out there anymore....unless u can find a linksys wrt54g with firmware 1.3 or below u could flash linux on it but good luck finding one cheap any more. Though a good and little pricey router is the D-Link DGL-4300, i have had one for a few years now and no problems with any thing I want to do with it.

CaptNKILL
05-22-07, 01:44 PM
Though a good and little pricey router is the D-Link DGL-4300, i have had one for a few years now and no problems with any thing I want to do with it.
Same here.

I love mine.

Medion
05-22-07, 01:57 PM
It's hard for me to recommend any Linksys routers right now. The BEFSR41 series had major problems with port forwarding and other features. The WRTG54 series is famous for supporting 3rd party firmware, but Linksys has released new revisions that don't have the memory to do that anymore. Basically, if you buy one of these off the shelf, you're stuck with a Wireless BEFSR41.

t3hl33td4rg0n
05-22-07, 02:45 PM
Same here.

I love mine.

+1

It has great QoS capability too. Alternatively, you can get the DGL-4100, which is wired only, but I found when I bought my DGL-4300 the price was only ~$10 more. I believe they have build in 108g compatibility too, cant remember. I'm not there otherwise I would double check for you.

nVidi0t
05-22-07, 03:08 PM
I use a WRT54G with DD-WRT firmware. I like the QoS settings in the WRT firmware, it performs much nicer too.

Tygerwoody
05-22-07, 04:03 PM
ok so what is the verdict? I'd prefer one I can just go pick up at best buy, but ordering from newegg wont hurt either. :D

You guys are recommending me certain routers and then updating firmware with linux, but then later on people are saying you cant do that anymore. What do I buy? :o

evilghost
05-22-07, 04:06 PM
A WHR-G54S you can pick up off the street and mod with Linux (openwrt).

For a web-based front end use the builds from http://www.x-wrt.org

It's a 200Mhz MIPS CPU with 4MB Flash and 16MB RAM.

No need to find special version numbers/etc. It's around $40.

Rakeesh
05-22-07, 04:36 PM
I think I know what your problem is, and it is easy to fix. What I think is happening is that you are overfilling your ip_conntrack-table. This is a common issue if you run e.g. p2p software which opens numerous connections, and your router (most routers do this) continues tracking these connections for days after they are inactive.

I would imagine that if you are running many game servers behind that router, then you'll likely run into the same problem.

Flash your firmware to dd-wrt, then look here:

http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Router_Slowdown

A WHR-G54S you can pick up off the street and mod with Linux (openwrt).

For a web-based front end use the builds from http://www.x-wrt.org

It's a 200Mhz MIPS CPU with 4MB Flash and 16MB RAM.

No need to find special version numbers/etc. It's around $40.

You can still buy a linksys WRT54GL which has the same specs, and I think I paid $51 for mine.

EDIT:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190

Unlike the newer wrt54g routers, it has more ram, nvram, etc for fully functional third party firmwares. It also has that SES button which can be used for many purposes.

Starscream
05-22-07, 04:46 PM
The only routers I'm willing to sell in my store are D-Link DI-604's (4 port wired) and WBR-1310's (54g wireless, 4 wired ports).

I also use a WBR-1310 at home and it's quite nice.

superklye
05-22-07, 05:24 PM
You guys are recommending me certain routers and then updating firmware with linux, but then later on people are saying you cant do that anymore. What do I buy? :o
All of the new Linksys 54g routers are without memory for an OS to be installed. If you want to scour ebay for one that works (I'm not exactly sure of the version number, but the Open WRT site should tell you. I think it's up through revision 6) you could, but it would probably cost a lot since they're coveted like gold.

Bman212121
05-22-07, 06:00 PM
+1

It has great QoS capability too. Alternatively, you can get the DGL-4100, which is wired only, but I found when I bought my DGL-4300 the price was only ~$10 more. I believe they have build in 108g compatibility too, cant remember. I'm not there otherwise I would double check for you.

+2

I used to have a trendnet BRV-204 (I think) and it worked fine for a while, but then it started having problems like what you are having now. I've had my DGL-4100 for around 2 years no without issues and I host all kinds of different servers. It is a little pricey, but it has been worth it so far. I just rebooted it the other day because I upgraded to the new firmware, but it had a 330 day uptime before I did that. :)

Tygerwoody
05-22-07, 06:02 PM
My current router is a Linksys BEFW11S4 version 4


:o Any idea why it might be messing up?

And btw, I don't use P2P programs. Haven't used one in 6-7 years.




Edit: Another problem I am having with my network is if I go to NBA.com and go to watch a video(example top 10 plays of the season), my ENTIRE network connection drops. I have 3 computers on my home network. Every single one of them drop just from ONE of them going to NBA.com and going to watch a video. The only way to fix this issue is to completely unplug my router and modem from their power source and plug back in. That brings them back online. However, I still can't watch my NBA movies. :( Strangest network problem I've ever seen.

Tygerwoody
05-22-07, 06:04 PM
A WHR-G54S you can pick up off the street and mod with Linux (openwrt).

For a web-based front end use the builds from http://www.x-wrt.org

It's a 200Mhz MIPS CPU with 4MB Flash and 16MB RAM.

No need to find special version numbers/etc. It's around $40.
Thus far, this is the one im leaning towards. Never heard of the company Buffalo, but it seems to have good reviews.

Tygerwoody
05-22-07, 06:47 PM
http://www.soldatforums.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=mqk3nn24hq4ie3b7269ifh0dv1&topic=4293.msg52539

looks like this guy is having the same exact problem as me... :o

Probably going to pick up a new router tonight if i cant get my issue solved.

Rakeesh
05-22-07, 08:11 PM
All of the new Linksys 54g routers are without memory for an OS to be installed. If you want to scour ebay for one that works (I'm not exactly sure of the version number, but the Open WRT site should tell you. I think it's up through revision 6) you could, but it would probably cost a lot since they're coveted like gold.

The new linksys routers have 2MB of nvram, and 8mb of ram, which is plenty for the vxworks OS they use. The linux kernel on the other hand is a bit more bloated, which is why they required 4MB of nvram and 16MB of ram in the past.

The linksys WRT54GL has all of the same features as the newer revisions (e.g. SES) and it still has as the same amount of memory as the old ones. So essentially they still make them.

And btw, I don't use P2P programs. Haven't used one in 6-7 years.

The issue I described is NOT specific to P2P programs. Rather P2P programs are the common cause for this since they open up literally hundreds of connections for even the smallest services.

If you are running many game servers, and have many people connecting to them, you are likely going to run into the same thing.

Tygerwoody
05-22-07, 09:24 PM
A WHR-G54S you can pick up off the street and mod with Linux (openwrt).

For a web-based front end use the builds from http://www.x-wrt.org

It's a 200Mhz MIPS CPU with 4MB Flash and 16MB RAM.

No need to find special version numbers/etc. It's around $40.
Ok, i took evilghost's advice.

I just bought a WHR-G545

hopefully this will solve my problem :)

evilghost
05-22-07, 09:30 PM
Ok, i took evilghost's advice.

I just bought a WHR-G545

hopefully this will solve my problem :)

Put OpenWRT on it and use the webif^2 front end from http://www.x-wrt.org

http://www.openwrt.org
http://www.x-wrt.org

If you have questions I can help.

Banko
05-22-07, 10:38 PM
Honestly I would just suggest going to a garage sale and picking up a used computer for like $40, put 2 NIC's in it, and then set up m0n0wall on it.

Best router IMO.

Tygerwoody
05-22-07, 11:06 PM
Honestly I would just suggest going to a garage sale and picking up a used computer for like $40, put 2 NIC's in it, and then set up m0n0wall on it.

Best router IMO.
My home really doesn't need an extra computer sitting around here. I have given away 30 PC's in the past year. I get plenty at work. :D

I trust evilghost's judgement. He's helped me alot in the past. If he says this cheapy $45 will do the job, I believe it will. :D

t3hl33td4rg0n
05-23-07, 12:20 AM
I remember a long time ago, i used a little app to "tweak" my network settings. (MTU, etc), and I was unable to visit certain sites. The most significant being my university at the time.