800mhz bus p4

[borntosoul]

anyone here looking forward to getting an canterwood chipset for an 800mhz bus pentium 4? just a few weeks back i was sooo close to getting an nforce 2 and upgrading my ddr266/1333 athlon combo, so i searched the net and found out that quite a few people had problems with the nforce 2 so i got put off.(meanwhile my brother got an nforce2 and he says that its great and he has had no probs with it). now i hear that intel are comin out with the canterwood chipset with 800 mhz bus and support for prescott so im thinking that i could get the canterwood chipset instead and match it up with one of intels new 800mhz HT p4's theyre comin out @ 2400mhz,2600mhz,2800mhz ect .(they come out in april) and then some time next year upgrade to a prescott cpu when theyve come down in price. ive heard that these p4s at 800mhz bus will be a bit cheaper than the current p4s at the same speed so im looking hopefully at a 2600p4/canterwood/dual drr400 ram. i will be looking at the benches sometime in april before making a choice. yeh i dont overclock so buying an 2100xp/nforce2 and o/c is not for me.i know its sad but i dont like to o/c

[StealthHawk]

the 800MHz FSB P4's with HT are Prescotts.

[sbp]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
the 800MHz FSB P4's with HT are Prescotts. No. The Prescotts will be .09 micron P4's.

http://www.hardwareextreme.com/articles/prescott/

[Nemesis]

...and will have a totally new socket. So don't expect a Canterwood board to be particularly future proof. Having said this, It's currently what I expect to get in the next few months.

[StealthHawk]

then what are they called?

[vampireuk]

Prescotts? Did they have to name them after a useless fat politician?:D

[borntosoul]

Originally posted by Nemesis
...and will have a totally new socket. So don't expect a Canterwood board to be particularly future proof. Having said this, It's currently what I expect to get in the next few months.
yeh that part i know :( ,but i cant wait till mid to early next year to get that other mobo with the new socket (it will also have pci express) ,so im just going to have to settle with this one i think if its good, by next year im hoping that this chipset will at least support prescott at 3.6 ghz so i can upgrade to that .
stealth i dont know what theyll call these p4 ,theyre the same as normal ones but with HT and 800mhz bus

[sbp]

Prescotts are supposed to come in both the Socket 478 {800MHz FSB) and later socket T forms {1066MHz}.

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by sbp
Prescotts are supposed to come in both the Socket 478 {800MHz FSB) and later socket T forms {1066MHz}.

That's good news. Makes some sense, as I read somewhere that Springdale and Canterwood will support Prescotts. As far as what the new 800Mhz FSB chips that are going to be available in April / May are going to be called, pass, I don't know. I've only ever heard them referred to as "P4 with 800Mhz FSB".

It's a bit confusing, can anyone categorically confirm:

1. The name of the "new" 800 FSB P4.
2. The compatability of Springdale and Canterwood with socket 478 Prescotts.

All good fun... :p

[sbp]

Originally posted by Nemesis
That's good news. Makes some sense, as I read somewhere that Springdale and Canterwood will support Prescotts. As far as what the new 800Mhz FSB chips that are going to be available in April / May are going to be called, pass, I don't know. I've only ever heard them referred to as "P4 with 800Mhz FSB".

It's a bit confusing, can anyone categorically confirm:

1. The name of the "new" 800 FSB P4.
2. The compatability of Springdale and Canterwood with socket 478 Prescotts.

All good fun... :p
1.) I've only ever heard them referred to as "P4 with 800Mhz FSB". same here

2.) http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4C800&langs=01
http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4P800&langs=01
"New power design supports Intel next generation Prescott CPU"

[borntosoul]

thx for the links :)

[mariuz]

look at this thread :
http://www.flickerdown.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2792
and read this article :
http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1806
Gaming Performance - Quake III Arena
4.4%
Gaming Performance - Jedi Knight II
4.9%
Gaming Performance - UT2003 Flyby
2.6%
Gaming Performance - UT2003 Botmatch
4.7%

[borntosoul]

Originally posted by mariuz
look at this thread :
http://www.flickerdown.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2792
and read this article :
http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1806
that wasnt tested on a real canterwood chipset so maybe we could expect a little more performance,wont be long now till we start seeing the real tests

[Dazz]

Prescotts are sk T only as they support 4 HT operations, it was first rumored as being sk 472 like what Gigabyte said their Titan 667 was Prescott compatible but later found out it wasn't. The prescott is quite a design change.

[borntosoul]

Originally posted by Dazz
Prescotts are sk T only as they support 4 HT operations, it was first rumored as being sk 472 like what Gigabyte said their Titan 667 was Prescott compatible but later found out it wasn't. The prescott is quite a design change.
u sure because the canterwood boards from intel offialy support prescott , maybe there will be 2 prescott cpu's,first one for the 800 mhz bus and then later the other at 1066

[Nemesis]

According to this article (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/1046394205.html) socket 478 Prescott core CPU's supporting 800MHz FSB will be produced in 2003, with the new Socket T Prescotts with 1066MHz FSB to be produced next year. Also, this article (http://www.fastsilicon.com/showarticle.php?a=24) has a graphic that clearly states that Canterwood and Springdale will support Prescott.

The plot thickens...

[woz_mann]

y not look at a barton with a 400 mhz fsb??

these really are good cpu's....just look at the benchmarks for the 400mhz fsb overclocks

I am running an XP2400. I am currently waiting for an official 200mhz fsb nforce2 mobo to upgrade to

[Dazz]

ONly one way to find out and thats to wait, but Intel has a tendancy to switch socket types. The reason in doing so is to get people to buy new processors and boards, msotly boards as their sales are alot lower.

[R.Carter]

I thought that the 3.2GHz 800MHz FSB P4 processor will still use the Northwood core.

The 3.4GHz and faster 800MHz P4 procesors will use the new Prescott core and will show up later this year (Q3 2003).

After all, it would suck to release a Canterwood motherboard in April and not have any 800MHz P4 processors that can be used in it.

Of course, this could be wrong...

Perhaps they need more power since they are supposed to be doubling the cache on the Prescott over the current Northwood?

However, I recall hearing Intel talking of >6MB of on-die cache. I can see those chips needed more power like the Xeons do. So perhaps these variants will use the new socket.

[Nemesis]

Well, the NDA has been lifted, and the reviews are starting to appear. Here (http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/20030414/index.html) is Toms Hardware's take on the new chipsets and processors. There are a few other reviews out there, I'm waiting for Anand's opinion.

All in all, it looks like Intel has grabbed the top spot for the moment...

[borntosoul]

yeh looks really good , a well ballanced system in my view, nice features too, hope it doesnt end up costing too much for the mobo/ram combo, something cheaper with a higher cpu would have a higher performance/price but obviously without the features :(

[mariuz]

Pretty weak this canterwoood :lame:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/30242.html

However, the advantages will really only be felt in the multimedia and 3D applications - games too, natch - at which Intel is targeting the i875P. At the same time, while the benchmarks reveal the i875P to be the top performer, its lead isn't as great as you might imagine from the praise heaped upon the product by the reviewers. With the exception of some memory bandwidth tests, the improvement revealed by the benchmarks is typically just 3-8 per cent over the next best-performing solution , ignoring overclocked systems.

[R.Carter]

Yes, you only get a small increase in benchmarks other than memory bandwidth tests.

Why should that be a surprise?

You have to remember that this low performace gain is most likely due to other things bottlenecking the system, like the video card and the hard drive. Or perhpas the test is CPU dependent like MP3 encoding. I mean a 3.0GHz P4 is roughly the same performance as a 3.06GHz P4, right? So for those tests that rely on CPU clockspeed they are going to be roughly the same performance.

Maybe if there were faster drives and video cards you will see the CPU / memory becoming the bottleneck once again.

Hopefully these boards can use Prescott processors /w a BIOS update.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by mariuz
Pretty weak this canterwoood :lame:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/30242.html

how is it weak? it has the same clockspeed.....you don't expect Intel to sell one version of a 3GHz CPU that performs at rate x and sell another 3GHz CPU that performs at rate 1.25x do you?

that would make little to no sense.

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by sbp
Prescotts are supposed to come in both the Socket 478 {800MHz FSB) and later socket T forms {1066MHz}.


Even if that is true, this is intel we're talking about. They will make just enough small changes so it won't work with the old chipsets/mobos. They did the same thing with P3 Tualitin (sp?). They made a couple changes in the pin configuration (I think) that made it incompatible even though there wasn't much of a technical reason to do so.