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sillyeagle
05-22-07, 05:46 PM
This is what I'm thinking:

650i - $100
DDR2 1066 - $180
C2D 1333FSB @ 3.0GHz - $266

Total - $550

Seems to me this is the best bang for my buck that I will be able to find this summer. Does anyone diagree? Is there a better option?

Also will this chipset support the upcomming 45nm chips?

Thanks

Xion X2
05-22-07, 06:50 PM
I could give you a thousand reasons not to buy one. The question is: Do you have the time to listen to all of them?

One thing I'll say is only go with an SLI board if you absolutely, 100% plan on going SLI. Otherwise, go get yourself an Intel chipset as they're about 1000% more stable.

If you want SLI and can wait, then you might want to put off buying a new motherboard until later this year when Intel releases the X38. It overclocks like mad and supports dual PCI-E x 16. The question of whether or not it will support SLI/Crossfire or both is still up in the air, however.

sillyeagle
05-22-07, 07:13 PM
Got a recommendation then?

The price is what drew me to the 650i. P35 looks good but that will probably add $150 to my purchase, unless the basic version will OC as well as a 650i. If not $550 for a new system is a lot more appealing than $700.

EDIT: I see you added more to your post. I'll be ready to get the board when the E6850 is released, so at the end of July. I guess SLI is not that important if it means I need to wait longer or not. As long as the board I get is less than $150 and OCs like mad, I'm all for it.

Xion X2
05-22-07, 07:23 PM
Sure.

There are some great single-card mobos on the market for LGA775. The 965's.. Asus and Gigabyte both have good boards. The P5B Deluxe and DS3 are both very good overclockers on the 965 platform and are both very stable. The 975 boards from Intel are also good overclockers--not as good as the 965s but the 965s have memory latencies over 400FSB which hampers performance a little.

If you go with a 975, like the Bad Axe I have, make sure to check the revision # on the board with Intel's site to make sure it supports Core 2, because some of them don't.

walterman
05-22-07, 08:41 PM
This is what I'm thinking:

650i - $100
DDR2 1066 - $180
C2D 1333FSB @ 3.0GHz - $266

Total - $550

Seems to me this is the best bang for my buck that I will be able to find this summer. Does anyone diagree? Is there a better option?

Also will this chipset support the upcomming 45nm chips?

Thanks

Sounds like a good plan for me & i was thinking the same, cause i want SLI & don't want to spend my money on a buggy & expensive 680 mobo.

|MaguS|
05-22-07, 08:43 PM
I would recommend it, I love mine. Runs great!

Xion X2
05-22-07, 09:26 PM
Magus has the only SLI 6-series board that I would even think about recommending to anyone. It's stable, it just doesn't overclock very well and is extremely picky about memory. I could never get my G.Skill to run in dual channel on that board and could go no higher than a 375 FSB on it. Asus has been very slack about releasing bios updates on it, too. It's 4 months into a beta bios right now.

sillyeagle
05-22-07, 09:33 PM
Thanks suggestions.

I'll take a look at the intel stuff and see if any of that floats my boat.

Banko
05-22-07, 09:33 PM
Only reason to get an NVidia chipset is if you are going sli.

If you aren't you can pick up my mobo for around $40 bucks more.

|MaguS|
05-22-07, 09:34 PM
Magus has the only SLI 6-series board that I would even think about recommending to anyone. It's stable, it just doesn't overclock very well and is extremely picky about memory. I could never get my G.Skill to run in dual channel on that board and could go no higher than a 375 FSB on it. Asus has been very slack about releasing bios updates on it, too. It's 4 months into a beta bios right now.

Doesn't OC well? Wow every report I have read it OC better then many other boards.... as for memory issues... I have none.

sillyeagle
05-22-07, 10:04 PM
Do the intel boards allow OCing of the FSB and RAM independantly like the Nvidia boards do?

Xion X2
05-22-07, 10:06 PM
Doesn't OC well? Wow every report I have read it OC better then many other boards.... as for memory issues... I have none.
Nope. I have a friend that still has one. We both had issues with the board not wanting to run dual channel on Crucial and G.Skill. He swapped his Crucial out for some SLI-ready G.Skill and is able to overclock a little better, but the board is not the best overclocker either one of us have seen. Can't even compare to 680i or the Intels as far as that goes.

Xion X2
05-22-07, 10:07 PM
Do the intel boards allow OCing of the FSB and RAM independantly like the Nvidia boards do?
The higher end ones, yes. Don't go for a cheap P965 if you want this option.

I know that the Gigabyte DS3 & P5B Deluxe will let you. Some of the ones that are 70$ and less I'm not so sure of.

sillyeagle
05-22-07, 11:18 PM
Since the 965 boards only support 1066FSB, what happens if I put a 1333 CPU in it?

3777
05-22-07, 11:40 PM
I have a reason, because it doesn't support the superior AGP (lee63) :cool:

sillyeagle
05-23-07, 12:03 AM
Boy I don't know about 650i either. Its says it support memory voltage to 2.10v, and most of the 1066 modules I see are listed as operating at 2.2 and 2.4v. I simply do not understand how the board can supprt 1066 memory and does not even offer the voltage required for that speed. Can anybody explain this?

I might just go for a more expensive p35, that way I can move up to the 45mn chips once they are out.

Xion X2
05-23-07, 10:41 AM
P35 would be a great future-proof single-card motherboard. Just be aware that most of them require DDR3 memory. The MSI P35 has slots for both DDR2/DDR3 but you can't run both at the same time (of course). And it only has two slots for each, so if you want to run 4GB you'd need to do it with 2GB sticks.

And in Vista, having more than 2GB of RAM is going to be a necessity for smooth gaming in the near future. It's a RAM hog.

Something else to keep in mind is that right now you really don't need 1066mHz RAM if you want to overclock. The current Intel chips have their memory controller in the northbridge which causes instability at high overclocks when running anything but a 1:1 ratio with your FSB/RAM. For example, if you overclocked your FSB to 400mHz, you'd need to run 800mHz RAM to have a stable overclock. You couldn't run your RAM @ 1000mHz and expect a stable overclock most of the time.

Most boards won't go much higher than that, but since you said you might go w/ a P35 which can do over 500mHz on the FSB rather easily, 1066mHz RAM would pay off if you don't mind running the chipset at that speed(500+mHz) 24/7.

john19055
05-24-07, 01:38 PM
I would go with a lower priced EVGA 680i SLI board if it was me like this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188019
I have both boards a ASuS 650i SLI and it overclock fine on the CPU FSB ,it went to 2000,but the memory was a different story I could not get it to go past 1000mhz without causeing problems,Sure the Evga 680i SLI when it first came out was buggy ,but all 680i SLI chipsets were no manner what company made it ,Plus Evga has the greatest tec support ,and with the latest P.28 bios update I can do over 2000 on the CPU FSB and I have always be able to do over 1200mhz on the memory.

hapooh
05-24-07, 03:48 PM
Friend of mine just RMA'd back an EVGA 650I MB from Newegg. He had nothing but trouble with it, instability and constant blue screens. He was using G.Skill and Crucial DDR 800 PC6400 RAM. He has a MSI 8800GTX GPU. Also overclocking was terrible, could not get above 2.4gigz stable. He last resorted to reflashing the bios with the latest version, and few hours after reflash, he shut down and restarted his PC, and the MB wouldn't boot. He went with the ABIT P965 AB9 Pro and no problems with the same G.Skill or Crucial RAM. He is also able to now OC up to 3.3 gighz with no problems in Vista 32.
Thing that angers him, is that he read all the reviews on the EVGA 650i and everyone giving it a good review.