R600vsG80 Benchmark Comparisons From Any Game Welcome!

[SLINROB]

Nice. Is your Conroe at stock speeds like mine or do you have it overclocked?

No, its at 3.6ghz.

[Xion X2]

Tomb Raider Anniversary (Demo), XP
Conroe @ stock 2.4GHz
Catalyst 8.38 | 2900XT (stock)
1680x1050, 8xAF, 4xAA(in-game)
Maximum settings

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4859/tra2007060106185412dh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4206/tra2007060105551337ns6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6015/tra2007060105555796wf0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2564/tra2007060105573167lf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7292/tra2007060106035239vc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6392/tra2007060106075329og7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7960/tra2007060106101353fj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5877/tra2007060106115210uc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3892/tra2007060106122157tb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8370/tra2007060106134951mb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1136/tra2007060106173893ox2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8515/tra2007060106174062mt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[sammy sung]

Tomb Raider Anniversary XP
Conroe @ stock 2.4GHz
Forceware 160.03 8800GTX stock
1680x1050, 8xAF, 4xAA(in-game)
Maximum settings

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4815/tra2007060113335810sc2.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4952/tra2007060113340303jp1.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9937/tra2007060113342009yr9.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2433/tra2007060113463131ph2.jpg

I bought the full game and this is where im stuck atm,not as complex as xions shots though.

Downloaded the demo,same settings as above (This would be so much easier with a better,faster alternative than imageshack)

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5667/tra2007060114111087ru2.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8642/tra2007060114121193vd5.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/537/tra2007060114131828lo9.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8251/tra2007060114142165uf3.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9105/tra2007060114144035ml9.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1323/tra2007060114151495hn4.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/853/tra2007060114470015ro5.jpg

Seems to be some performance issues with this game and 2900xt,even at the options-screen i have close to 60fps more than you Xion with the same settings.Hopefully things will improve with newer drivers.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3853/tra2007060115425629qq1.jpg

[WaterPartys]

This thread ROCKS. 5 stars.

Test Drive Unlimited or Colin McRae anyone? thx in advance ;)

[|MaguS|]

Nice sammy sung! Spanking Xions, lol.

[sammy sung]

Dunno if you Have this game Xion but it was requested so here it goes:

Testdrive unlimited 1680x1050
E6600 stock 8800GTX stock
forceware 160.03 xp pro sp2

Maxdetail ingame+HDR 4xAA ingame 16xAF@cp with Transparency multisampling enabled/high quality .

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5386/testdriveunlimited20070kx4.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8305/testdriveunlimited20070sg8.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3332/testdriveunlimited20070ol0.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5459/testdriveunlimited20070rc2.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1479/testdriveunlimited20070vq8.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5286/testdriveunlimited20070jy7.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4012/testdriveunlimited20070wo9.jpg

[sammy sung]

Nice sammy sung! Spanking Xions, lol.

Hehehe Magus,one up for the green team lol:p Kidding aside it seems TRA loves the G80,smooth as butter and it dipped below 100fps(lowest was 75) on only a few occations.

[nekrosoft13]

those TDU shots

is that C2D OC or not in those shots?

[sammy sung]

those TDU shots

is that C2D OC or not in those shots?

Nope,its at default atm(for the sake of the comparisons with xions rig),i sometimes clock it to 2.7ghz but it wont go higher with the ram i have now.That just ends with registry-errors/reinstall.I put off any further O/C attempts until i can get faster ram.

[fivefeet8]

Hehehe Magus,one up for the green team lol:p Kidding aside it seems TRA loves the G80,smooth as butter and it dipped below 100fps(lowest was 75) on only a few occations.

Looks like the same engine from TR:Legend. Next Generation content uses much larger and more textures. ;)

[sammy sung]

Looks like the same engine from TR:Legend. Next Generation content uses much larger and more textures. ;)

There isnt any next gen content in this game,no options other than those in the screenies.

[Xion X2]

Nice sammy sung! Spanking Xions, lol.
On drivers that are 7 months more mature.. imagine that. ;)

I don't have Test Drive.. wish I did. That'd be a good one to test as it does quite well on the 2900s.

[sammy sung]

On drivers that are 7 months more mature.. imagine that. ;)

I don't have Test Drive.. wish I did. That'd be a good one to test as it does quite well on the 2900s.
Yea so ive heard since it was originally developed on ATI hardware,i love that game,looks awesome too:) Btw did you ever test the TRA demo with the driver set prior to the ones you use now ? You said you lost 40% fps in oblivion with the newest drivers but gained some IQ ,is that a good tradeoff for you since oblivion is so demanding ?

[|MaguS|]

On drivers that are 7 months more mature.. imagine that. ;)

I don't have Test Drive.. wish I did. That'd be a good one to test as it does quite well on the 2900s.

Ah I love it, The 8800GTX released and people bitched about drivers and how Nvidia sucks, blah blah blah but wait... ATI releases and their drivers end up being worse and people are ok with it... yeah...

[nekrosoft13]

plus, very important satement

that it runs better on 7 month old hardware, which in computer world is very rare

[Xion X2]

Ah I love it, The 8800GTX released and people bitched about drivers and how Nvidia sucks, blah blah blah but wait... ATI releases and their drivers end up being worse and people are ok with it... yeah...

I never said I was "ok with it," Magus. Of course I want driver improvements. But you're blind if you can't go back to G80's release and see that there have been massive improvements in the drivers made since launch. Many games are showing as much as a 35-40% increase in framerate.

Most of TRA plays like Sammy's if I keep the water out of the camera. There seems to be a driver issue with scenes with the water in it right now. When the water's not in the camera, I get performance more similar to his:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4076/tra2007060113240301qe0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6527/tra2007060113240993fb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/628/tra2007060113241781im7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It's not a big deal since the framerate stays over 80fps for the most part anyway when the water's on-screen--just an observation. I wasn't really going for highest FPS in those prior shots; I wanted to get a few places that showed some good depth of field and lighting.

[Xion X2]

plus, very important satement

that it runs better on 7 month old hardware, which in computer world is very rare
That's true. It's unfortunate R600 couldn't have been released at the same time, because performance between the two on launch day is very similar.

[sammy sung]

That's true. It's unfortunate R600 couldn't have been released at the same time, because performance between the two on launch day is very similar.

I dont agree there Xion,performance compared to older cards was never a problem with g80,not to the extent of the 2900 anyway.I mean the G80 outperformed the 7 series GTX in all games right of the bat eventhough the stability wasnt there ,BSOD and so on.The 1950 was on par or better than the 2900 in several games with the first sets of drivers so i wouldnt take it that far.

Sure the situation will improve with the 2900 and in some games its close to the GTX .On the other hand its also been stated that there is some design differences that could mean that the 2900 never closes the gap in several games.I think its a good ,possibly a great card but im not so sure it will be on even terms with the G80 even if it is in some games now.In a few of the games here you have not been able to use AA and and better filtering with oblivion was kinda costly .It seems that sofar you cant quite have the cake and eat it with this card.Not across the board anyway,time will tell how much of that is due to hardware limitations or drivers.

[nekrosoft13]

is that a ATI driver bug or game issue?
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6527/tra2007060113240993fb1.jpg

how come the rope has no shadow? i didn't notice it in the demo.

[nekrosoft13]

I never said I was "ok with it," Magus. Of course I want driver improvements. But you're blind if you can't go back to G80's release and see that there have been massive improvements in the drivers made since launch. Many games are showing as much as a 35-40% increase in framerate.

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but take into consideration few interviews where either someone from ATI or AMD bragin how they are on second generation dx10 hardware (bull****) and how wonderful their drivers are.

if that was true, then these ATI drivers should have been a lot better from the start.

7 months late and it still seemed to be very rush release.

[Redeemed]

but take into consideration few interviews where either someone from ATI or AMD bragin how they are on second generation dx10 hardware (bull****) and how wonderful their drivers are.

if that was true, then these ATI drivers should have been a lot better from the start.

7 months late and it still seemed to be very rush release.

Not really. We didn't get any significant improvements with the G80 drivers from nVidia untill it was evident ATi was pumping out new drivers for the 2900XT every two weeks or so. Furthermore, in the short amount of time that the 2900 has been released ATi has put out more drivers for the card than nVidia has for the 7 months that the 8800s have been out. Furthermore, from the get go ATis drivers brought performance improvements- significant performance improvements (per game, not necessarily as a whole) while nVidia's drivers are just starting to do that.

In terms of drivers ATI seems to be more on the ball than nVidia. Did it really take nVidia 7 months to figure out how to develop a decent driver for the GF8 series, or where they just dragging their heels? I'd say the latter is more likely to be the case.

[sammy sung]

Ok i tried to replicate one of your water screenies ,i also took 2 in positions that are easy for you to try on your card.First off here's your underwater screenie:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2564/tra2007060105573167lf4.jpg
And here is mine:
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4773/tra2007060120491367yy0.jpg
As you can see my fps is close to twice yours so i gotta figure if its really possible to boost the perfomance with drivers that much ? It would be a 100% increase ,can that really be done without sacrificing image quality?

I'm also adding these two shots so you can compare:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5079/tra2007060120413918ym4.jpg
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/8633/tra2007060120430103pq7.jpg

[Xion X2]

In a few of the games here you have not been able to use AA

There was an issue with running AA in Rainbow Six on G80 up until the last few months. Lost Planet is the only game I see showing this as a unique problem, and ATI has already issued a public statement saying that they were working on some problems with this game.

There's no hardware limitation on the card that would prohibit it from running AA on a game like Lost Planet or Rainbow Six. It's simply a driver issue.

As for your TRA screens and the water issue, sure there can be a 100% jump in certain driver aspects. I remember playing F.E.A.R. on my 8800GTX when it first launched and some of the rooms with shadows were dropping down to 15fps. I mean they were crawling. I didn't at the time think that was due to any sort of hardware limitation, and I don't think that now about R600 rendering the water on TRA. I mean, what's so special about that water that would cause it to take such a performance hit? It's not even that detailed.

There are often little bugs like these in early drivers that are worked out later for massive performance increases.

[fivefeet8]

Not really. We didn't get any significant improvements with the G80 drivers from nVidia untill it was evident ATi was pumping out new drivers for the 2900XT every two weeks or so. .

The difference is, the 8800gtx was faster than any card even with "Bad" drivers at the time. Nvidia looks to have been working primarly on getting stability and compatiblity for most of the past 7 months because it's a lot stabler than it was in the beginning. Now they are starting to work on improving performance as a primary concern as evident by larger performance gains from recent forcewares.

AMDTI also seems to have been doing the same thing pre r600 release. Working on stability and compatibility. But since Nvidia also seems to have improved on it as well, it's a mute point to argue drivers for either camp.

Both will continue to improve performance.

[Redeemed]

As for your TRA screens, sure there can be a 100% jump in certain driver aspects. I remember playing F.E.A.R. on my 8800GTX when it first launched and some of the rooms with shadows were dropping down to 15fps. I mean they were crawling. There are often little bugs like this in early drivers that are worked out later for massive performance increases.

I still get that to this day. :thumbdwn: And I'm using the latest non-beta drivers as well.