R600vsG80 Benchmark Comparisons From Any Game Welcome!

[sammy sung]

And how many review sites that compared the two cards on R600 launch day were using those betas from long before the 2900XT surfaced for G80? Most of them were using new driver releases. :)

This would be the perfect move if Nvidia wanted to surprise ATI a bit and rub some unexpected performance in the face of the competition to make them look inferior.

And how do you explain why they went 4 whole months inbetween driver releases on XP? I have never, ever seen anything like that happen before. I mean, there weren't even any betas out during that time. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. Not a peep from Nvidia until 4 months later--around the time that R600 was expected to release.

If over that time they were focused on improving stability as you say, then where were the new drivers inbetween January-->April? Surely they could've improved on a few things during that time period.

Well its all speculation,i agree that the space between drivers were not acceptable and not something seen before.But on the other hand the sheer amount of gamebugs and performance issues with the g80 was also something never seen before.How many pages are that 8800 gamebugs thread ? I have no clue what was behind this,it can be many things and exactly what i doubt we will ever find out and its kinda pointless to argue about it :)

[mullet]

elmor overclocks Radeon HD 2900 XT CrossFire - New 3DMark 05 world record.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,6497.html

[SLINROB]

Also bench Rainbow Six Vegas if you have it, because I know for a fact that the game used to slow down to 45FPS on a single GTX any time that you put the camera on your ally soldiers.


To be perfectly honest Xion while I agree that performance as a whole has gotten much better with these latest drivers from nvidia I have to say that I can honestly not remember at any time the GTX dipping to 45fps when looking at soldiers. Now I may be wrong and also R6 has had a number of patches, it just seems that I remember it playing a little faster than that even on the older drivers.

The main improvements I see with the latest drivers in R6 would be that first area in the game, (you know, the place that always dipped into the teens for no reason) that same place now runs 35fps. I guess the biggest difference I have seen with R6 would be the minimum FPS improvement.


I guess I will just have to take some time as I stated before and run some test with the 165's vs the old drivers from the beginning.

[SLINROB]

LOL i found the original driver set from back last NOV. Im going to install them and run a few test. This will be fun.

[SLINROB]

Ok Here are some shots of R6 with the first driver set released back in Nov.


CPU 2.4ghz
1680X1050, 16XHQAF
Hardware Skinning ON
HDR ON
Shadow Quality Medium
Motion Blur ON
Blur Quality Very High


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/dfdf-1.jpg



http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/dfdfdf.jpg




http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/sdfsdfd.jpg



http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/sdg.jpg



http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/sgsdgsgdsdg.jpg










And here it is with 165.01 using the same Graphical settings.


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/sdsgdsg.jpg



http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/fdfdsf.jpg



http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/dfgdg.jpg



Now keep in mind Xion this is with the latest 1.4 patch that came out Jan 30th. Its possible that the patch brought some performance improvements along with it and you may have a memory of how it ran before the patch or something.

All in all it would seem to me that the launch drivers for the 8800GTX have the game running pretty much on par with the 2900XT in the early stages of its drivers as well.

[SLINROB]

I will do some more testing with other games later on. I want to get back to playing tombraider for now;)

[Blacklash]

The only time I have been upset with nVidia was when HDR + AA was broke in "Oblivion" under Vista, besides that I've loved owning this card and had it since release.

They only other thing that has bothered me about the GTX was its idle temps. Mine use to idle @ 61C. I fixed that with a Thermalright HR03 Plus and now it's all good. 45-47C idle (depending on ambient room temp), and as low as 41C if reduce my core clock when I am in 2D not gaming.

[Madpistol]

Wow... It's hard to believe that this thread was just started on May 31. It's grown to 35 pages in a matter of 11 days :eek:

[SLINROB]

Wow... It's hard to believe that this thread was just started on May 31. It's grown to 35 pages in a matter of 11 days :eek:

Yep, My thread PWnZ aLL:p

[Xion X2]

Rob, I remember you and I specifically talking about the "45 FPS" issue with Rainbow Six & the soldiers. It happened shortly after I bought the game and we were comparing performance figures between our two 8800GTX's (we both had a single card back then.) We also discussed how the game slowed to 35FPS in that one section of the warehouse where all the hostages are at near the beginning of the game. We agreed that the rest of the game played at 60FPS but that it slowed down a lot when you get characters on the screen.

Now I don't know what's happened since then.. maybe the 1.4 patch has helped performance somewhat, who knows. I guess the best we can do now (unless you want to patch back to the original) is to compare shots at the exact same locations between drivers, and what I noticed from your shots were these in particular:

(first shot in each series is from earlier drivers per your post):

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/sdg.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/dfgdg.jpg



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http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/sgsdgsgdsdg.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/fdfdsf.jpg

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http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/sdfsdfd.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/SLINROB/sdsgdsg.jpg



The first and third series of shots are a little different, but you can tell that they're the same general location. The second series are obviously a better comparison. Increases of 16FPS and 14FPS and 15FPS w/ the newer drivers.

[Blacklash]

If you do want a HD 2900XT, watch this link:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8378221&st=hd+2900xt&type=product&id=1178926024172

It was 319usd at Best Buy and it's sold out. You might get lucky and snag one when they restock. You could Crossfire two of those for less than a single Ultra.

EDIT: BTW here are Crossfire certified PSUs for the HD 2900XT-

http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/buildyourown2.html

[Xion X2]

If you do want a HD 2900XT, watch this link:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8378221&st=hd+2900xt&type=product&id=1178926024172

It was 319usd at Best Buy and it's sold out. You might get lucky and snag one when they restock. You could Crossfire two of those for less than a single Ultra.

Wha!?!?!?!!?!??!!?!?

Ah man I don't need to see something like that. I keep hearing the "Cross-fire... Cross-fire.." chant in the back of my brain.

That's absolutely crazy, man. And Best Buy on top of that.. they're usually a rip-off.

[SLINROB]

Rob, I remember you and I specifically talking about the "45 FPS" issue with Rainbow Six & the soldiers. It happened shortly after I bought the game and we were comparing performance figures between our two 8800GTX's (we both had a single card back then.)

The only thing I remember is how we always talked about that first part of the game dropping down the way it did for no reason whatsoever. Im sorry but I do not recall a conversation about the 45fps with the soldiers. Im not lying about it and im not saying your lying either, I just dont recall that or ever remember it running that badly.




We also discussed how the game slowed to 35FPS in that one section of the warehouse where all the hostages are at near the beginning of the game.

I remember that part slowing down I just dont remember by how much, I didnt play it long enough to snap pics of that part. I just wanted a comparison from the same locations you had snapped (on top of the building with the soldiers). Judging by the shots I posted with the old drivers it looks to me like its performing roughly the same as what you are getting with the 2900XT and its early drivers. Its not like thats a bad thing because your drivers will get better just like the G80's drivers have gotten better over time.








Now I don't know what's happened since then.. maybe the 1.4 patch has helped performance somewhat, who knows.

Thats what I was thinking.



and what I noticed from your shots were these in particular:


The first series of shots are a little different, although as you can tell by the command text that they're the same general location. The second series are obviously a better comparison. Increases of 16FPS and 14FPS w/ the newer drivers.

Thats because I just beat the game again for the second Time so I had uninstalled it. This was a new install so my old saves were gone.


The entire time I played the game with the old launch drivers it ran a silky smooth 55-60fps even with soldiers on the screen just like you see in my pics.

The only part that ran stupid was that first part in the game that had always dipped down even when no enemies were on the screen.:rolleyes:But thats been taken care of with the latest drivers.

[Blacklash]

Wha!?!?!?!!?!??!!?!?

Ah man I don't need to see something like that. I keep hearing the "Cross-fire... Cross-fire.." chant in the back of my brain.

That's absolutely crazy, man. And Best Buy on top of that.. they're usually a rip-off.

I thought about Crossfire with two HD 2900XTs, and I didn't want to have to get another PSU. Also I'd likely have to move to water cooling if I wanted to tame the heat because I would want to OC. I just got my GTX cooled down and don't want two warm cards in my rig.

I do have a i975x board I could switch in, so I wouldn't need to buy that.

Considering you already have a stronger PSU and a water setup, I can see where it would be much more tempting for you to Crossfire two XTs.

[buffbiff21]

Xion you might want to clean up a little BS goin on over here

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1031163331&posted=1#post1031163331

I tried,but I know you're teh one with the XT.

[Blacklash]

Good luck with that thread :p

Earlier, I linked to two of Xion's posts. One showing the overclocked XT beating the overclocked GTS in "Oblivion" and two, showing his overclocked "DiRTdemo" results. Folks chose to ignore it.

My post in the same thread:

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031160018&postcount=59

You can't change a fan boy's mind, and certainly not a shill's. Don't expect those particular folks to give an inch.

[buffbiff21]

Good luck with that thread :p

Ya or any thread over at tardforum.

hey what happened to your Monica Belluci Tittie avatar? :D

[Blacklash]

Ya or any thread over at tardforum.

hey what happened to your Monica Belluci Tittie avatar? :D

I got bored with it.

Fan boys and shills suck regardless of forum.

[Xion X2]

Ben posted the link to the Oblivion benches. If they start yapping that they're faked or anything stupid like that then I'll go register and correct 'em. Otherwise, I just don't care to be there at all. I hate even just looking at their dumb forums w/ that black background and all. It makes it hard to read.. gives me a headache after a few minutes.

Ben--props to you, bud. You're living proof that not everyone who owns a certain product needs to be a fanboy. I expected just as much from you, but I still appreciate the fact you're willing to admit the XT is the better performer in Oblivion when shown the data to back it up.

The 8800GTS 640MB is still a great card. It overclocks great and is a very good performer.

[Xion X2]

I got bored with it.

I don't find the fan boy's and shills more annoying at [H]ard than any other forum.
Head on over to TomsHardware sometime if you want the absolute worst. You talk about Fanboy Central...

[Blacklash]

Xion, I already had your "Oblivion" comparison of an overclocked XT and an overclocked GTS posted back on page three. I also linked to your overclocked "DiRTDemo" results. (Post #59)

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1199601&page=3

Anywho, I guess twice won't hurt.

[buffbiff21]

Ben--props to you, bud. You're living proof that not everyone who owns a certain product needs to be a fanboy. I expected just as much from you, but I still appreciate the fact you're willing to admit the XT is the better performer in Oblivion when shown the data to back it up.

Well, dude. Let's be factual. it has nothing to do with products/fanboism etc.

Crossfire is more efficient than SLI; this means that two ATI cards gain more of a % increase than two nVidia cards.
Crossfire can be done on Intel boards and not these magma spewing 680i
it costs less than a 640GTS at $319.99 (though in my case, i got my GTS640MB used ;) )
It overclocks even better.

the bad:
red pcb (:o) more of a preference thing
more power draw
hotter? i duno bout this one. just from observation.

[buffbiff21]

2GB G.Skill DDR2 800

did you get these modules, the HZ version?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065

[Xion X2]

Xion, I already had your "Oblivion" comparison of an overclocked XT and an overclocked GTS posted back on page three. I also linked to your overclocked "DiRTDemo" results. (Post #59)

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1199601&page=3

Anywho, I guess twice won't hurt.
Then it's like you said: You can't change a fanboy's mind.

I'm not going to waste time w/ them.. I'd rather be over here where people have an open mind and are willing to change their opinions if shown the evidence.

[Xion X2]

did you get these modules, the HZ version?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065

This is mine:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231121