R600vsG80 Benchmark Comparisons From Any Game Welcome!

[Xion X2]

Blacklash -

Mascaras is running the 8.38s if I remember right. I finally dumped those for good because of the repeated BSODs and poor performance. I wonder what his performance would be on the 8.37.4.2s that I'm running, because I just benched R6 Vegas again on these and am getting ~15-20FPS more on average at the same settings as I was on the 8.38 driver. I posted screens here recently showing the improvement. Whereas before R6V was slowing down to 46FPS with soldiers on-screen, now it runs no less than 60-65.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1284397&postcount=639

I think the 8.38s suck, personally. The driver I'm using now is the same one I was benching Oblivion with before. It's a pre-release Alpha that I think is a newer set and will be released in a finalized Cat hopefully within the next couple of weeks. Not only does it run games better with, from what I can tell, identical IQ, but this set also doesn't give me all of the stupid BSODs I get by the hour or two on the 8.38s. Overall they just seem like a much more stable and have improved performance immensely.

I benched that area of forest from your saves the other night on the 8.38s w/ Oblivion--the same place I was getting 37FPS with--and it was crawling along at 9FPS on the 8.38s. There is just no way those are optimized drivers.

What I'm having a hard time figuring out, though, is why the heck ATI didn't delay the release of R600 another couple of weeks until the Alphas were ready to go.. or at least have handed them off to all the review sites to bench with instead of bringing them out after the fact. By the time they started supplying people with them, the card had already been ripped apart in all the reviews.

And what I'm having even a harder time figuring out is what in the heck they were doing for the 6 extra months that R600 was delayed and they could've had a finalized, optimized driver set. It's really baffling. I know that they went through a takeover, but it still seems they could've saved a lot more face at launch than what they did.

[Xion X2]

Mike I think this new bios might be this boards saving grace. All of the FSB holes are now gone and I just did a reinstall of windows with a FSB@450mhz and my CPU at 3.6ghz using a 8X multi and my mem at 900mhz.

It installed windows without corrupting any files in the process! something it never could do before.
Well that's good man, I'm happy for you, bud. Now why in the hell didn't Asus put the BIOS release on their site? Where did you have to end up getting it?

Flight Sim X just got here, so I'm going to try to bench it a little later.

[Blacklash]

Xion

Actually, I probably shouldn't have grouped those two comments together. I originally posted the warning about unofficial cats without the link to XS.

I stumbled over the GRAW 2 bench and decided to add it to that post instead of creating another.

I didn't mean to suggest the fellow @ XS was using a strange or unofficial driver. Again, I simply decided to add the bench link there instead of posting right below my last post.

Anywho, good luck getting that card to 1k on the core down the road. As I understand it, that was the their original intention and leakage prevented them from releasing it clocked that high. I'd guess they were holding out hoping they could control it and get a higher clock. Of course since you don't have to worry about the air cooler so you should be able to get close with a voltage bump.

A 1k XT would have been sweet for AMD|ATi. It would have soundly beat a stock or overclocked GTS in just about everything, and passed up a stock GTX as well, all for 400usd.

[Xion X2]

Not at all; I didn't take it that way. I just wanted to state for the record what I've seen, which is that the 8.38s are poor performers in comparison to the Alphas that I'm using.

I've sorta been keeping up with that thread you linked and been reading Mascara's ongoing benching, so I already knew he had upgraded to the 8.38s a little while back. A lot of guys are saying that they bring better performance, but that's only because they're not running the set that I am. The 8.37.4.2s are the same set techreport and everyone else toward the end were benching Oblivion and R6 Vegas on that had it running alongside a GTX. They are the best performers by far.

It just seems strange as hell to me that ATI couldn't have put them out sooner and in the hands of review sites like Hardocp which then went on a hate parade and bashed the card into Oblivion (pun intended :p ). All they would've had to do is put these Alphas in their hands and their performance in Oblivion would've more than doubled.

Look here at what I'm talking about. This is a screen that I took of Oblivion playing on the 8.38s:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6105/oblivion200706072320414yh2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If you'll recall, I was getting 37FPS at that exact same location w/ the same graphics settings here on the Alpha 8.37.4.2s:
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1028/oblivion200706061626109lu3.jpg


The other two locations that we benched scored as follows:

10fps compared to 33fps on the 8.37.4.2s
12fps compared to 41fps on the 8.37.4.2s

I kept those shots full size to show the IQ similarities. I've looked long and hard and can't tell a difference in IQ between drivers, so I don't think that explains it. The only thing I can come up with, then, is that the Alphas are a later set that they're still working on that bring much better performance.

I've installed the 8.38s multiple times, also, so it's not a bad install. They're just teh suck. I was very careful before the last time to clean out all old files in safe mode and do a clean install, but it didn't help. Still made Oblivion putt along at 10fps. :lol:

[SLINROB]

X-

Turn off any AA or AF options you may have enabled in the driver since you can use the in-game settings.

DIRT-

AA you can use in game but AF I had to turn on in the CP. I didnt see an option for AF in game.

[Trademark]

Ugh those drivers ruin the whole purpose of having a videocard, might aswell use software rendering, 9 fps...

[SLINROB]

Not at all; I didn't take it that way. I just wanted to state for the record what I've seen, which is that the 8.38s are poor performers in comparison to the Alphas that I'm using.

I've sorta been keeping up with that thread you linked and been reading Mascara's ongoing benching, so I already knew he had upgraded to the 8.38s a little while back. A lot of guys are saying that they bring better performance, but that's only because they're not running the set that I am. The 8.37.4.2s are the same set techreport and everyone else toward the end were benching Oblivion and R6 Vegas on that had it running alongside a GTX. They are the best performers by far.

It just seems strange as hell to me that ATI couldn't have put them out sooner and in the hands of review sites like Hardocp which then went on a hate parade and bashed the card into Oblivion (pun intended :p ). All they would've had to do is put these Alphas in their hands and their performance in Oblivion would've more than doubled.

Look here at what I'm talking about. This is a screen that I took of Oblivion playing on the 8.38s:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6105/oblivion200706072320414yh2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If you'll recall, I was getting 37FPS at that exact same location w/ the same graphics settings here on the Alpha 8.37.4.2s:
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1028/oblivion200706061626109lu3.jpg


The other two locations that we benched scored as follows:

10fps compared to 33fps on the 8.37.4.2s
12fps compared to 41fps on the 8.37.4.2s

I kept those shots full size to show the IQ similarities. I've looked long and hard and can't tell a difference in IQ between drivers, so I don't think that explains it. The only thing I can come up with, then, is that the Alphas are a later set that they're still working on that bring much better performance.

I've installed the 8.38s multiple times, also, so it's not a bad install. They're just teh suck. I was very careful before the last time to clean out all old files in safe mode and do a clean install, but it didn't help. Still made Oblivion putt along at 10fps. :lol:



I can see a big difference in image quality. The 9fps shot has a ton of more detail in it and less jaggies, plus AF looks to be about like HQ AF.

Sorry bud, but your gonna have to run with sacrificed image quality if you want to get decent performance.

ATI FTL!:thumbdwn:

[Blacklash]

If you get bored Xion try the "plume" save with the old driver and the new without filtering. I am wondering if the FPS hit is from an AA bug of some sort.

There's my shot from the same save. It looks like your 9FPS shot. The 37FPS shot almost looks like a slightly later time of day. Look closely at how much light is on the apex of the archway. I don't see anything else that stands out strongly. Just different, or slightly "off" lighting. There shouldn't be any differences if you load and shot. The only thing I could think of that would change the lighting would be if you stand around before taking a SS. Otherwise it should be identical:

http://m1.freeshare.us/151fs218967_th.jpg (http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?151fs218967.jpg)

EDIT:

I answered my own question. The lighting must have changed on you. I stood there for around two minutes before I took a SS and most all of the light was gone from the apex of the archway by that time. So nevermind. That was the only large difference I could see.

http://m1.freeshare.us/151fs221394_th.jpg (http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?151fs221394.jpg)

I'm still curious want the FPS difference would be between the two drivers with no filtering active.

8xAA + Transparency AA is costly. I went back and tried the "plume" with just 4xAA|16xAF and got 51FPS under Vista.

http://m1.freeshare.us/151fs225321_th.jpg (http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?151fs225321.jpg)

[Redeemed]

Try the 160.03 or the 165.01 beta that me and slinrob are using,both are stable and i havent had even one bsod for close to 2 months since i got my third GTX.The 165.01 is slightly faster than the 165.01 and both are faster than nvidias latest official drivers 158.xx.But their latest offical driver is as stable so it should work great aswell.

Aren't those drivers for XP? If so I'm running Vista. I'll be re-installing XP some time later this week to compare results between Vista and XP. Just curious where Vista is at performance-wise.

Haven't had a BSOD just yet. I uninstalled some of the Windows Updats. Not sure if that fixed the problem though. Here's hoping...

[sammy sung]

Aren't those drivers for XP? If so I'm running Vista. I'll be re-installing XP some time later this week to compare results between Vista and XP. Just curious where Vista is at performance-wise.

Haven't had a BSOD just yet. I uninstalled some of the Windows Updats. Not sure if that fixed the problem though. Here's hoping...

Ah thought u were on xp,backlash should be able to advise you better on drivers then i think.

[Redeemed]

I'm still having issues with BSODs.

Before transferring my components to the new tower I never experienced BSODs. Well, I did a few times, but that was when I was messing with the clock speeds of my CPU. User-fault in that case. Now, they just happen randomly it seems. The only way I can seem to run Windows 100% stable is in safe-mode. :(

Before transfering components to the new tower, I did install a bunch of Windows updates. But I just uninstalled all of those, and booted into the Vista setup disk and had it repair my install. Hopefully now it'll run right. It seems to be. :D

If not, looks like I'll just re-install Vista. :D

I did add in the OCZ Memory cooler that I bought from Xion a while back. I doubt that would cause these BSODs though. It is flush up against my cpu HSF though- but I doubt that is the sole cause. I'll post some pics in a bit of how tight a fit it is. It seems to crash most when I'm doing any form of multi-tasking... or so it seems.

[Redeemed]

Okay, here's some shots of the mobo with the HSF and the memory cooler:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/Sir_Farts_A_Lot/Computer%20Builds/Opty%20185%20with%20ASUS%20A8N32%20SLi%20Dlx/6-13-07/AeroCoolExtremeEngine3T017.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/Sir_Farts_A_Lot/Computer%20Builds/Opty%20185%20with%20ASUS%20A8N32%20SLi%20Dlx/6-13-07/AeroCoolExtremeEngine3T018.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/Sir_Farts_A_Lot/Computer%20Builds/Opty%20185%20with%20ASUS%20A8N32%20SLi%20Dlx/6-13-07/AeroCoolExtremeEngine3T019.jpg

I really need a new digital camera. This one takes crap close shots. :p :(

Anyhow, the memory cooler is literally touching the cpu HSF. But I don't see how this could cause BSODs. It is not causing the CPU HSF to sit awkwardly, and there isn't any extra pressure on my memory causing it to be seated improperly. Any ideas guys? So far, after uninstalling those updates and repairing my Vista install it seems to be running fine. We'll find out soon enough...

[Xion X2]

If your temps on your processor aren't skyrocketing, meaning the RAM cooler is forcing your CPU cooler up on that right side, then I'd say it's strictly file related.

You may want to try booting into safe mode, uninstalling the video driver, rebooting into safe mode again, run Driver Cleaner Pro and clean out all Nvidia files, reboot again into regular Windows, reinstall your video driver to see if that fixes the problem.

You may also want to clean out your CPU HSF. Hard to tell from the blurry pics, but it looks like it's filled w/ dust.

[Xion X2]

Man, my 2900XT is really ripping through R6 Vegas. I'm getting 75-85FPS out here at the warehouse, easy:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9049/r6vegasgame200706131715qu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7872/r6vegasgame200706131725ra8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1347/r6vegasgame200706131726ow5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4296/r6vegasgame200706131728mg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/2576/r6vegasgame200706131731fd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4962/r6vegasgame200706131731ut9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I've never seen this game run this good.. this is crazy. :D

[XMAN52373]

Here are my Dirt Rally numbers
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
2212, 50080, 0, 90, 44.169
It hit 0 right at the begining of the game during the staging light count down after that smooth as butter.
4xAA, 16XAF, 1680x1050 ultra settings in game.

Oblivion, all Sliders max right, all setting on including HDR. 1680x1050, AA not enabled, will have to mess with drivers, help welcome.
Save 182
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
2471, 60000, 20, 63, 41.183
Save 183
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
2780, 60000, 32, 88, 46.333
Save 184
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
2715, 60000, 29, 117, 45.250

STALKER with 2xAA enabled all setting maxed
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
2314, 60000, 25, 62, 38.567

[Obie]

I can see a big difference in image quality. The 9fps shot has a ton of more detail in it and less jaggies, plus AF looks to be about like HQ AF.

Sorry bud, but your gonna have to run with sacrificed image quality if you want to get decent performance.

ATI FTL!:thumbdwn:
Actual that's incorrect. The 9fps ss has less detail. What I call an "overcast" of HDR making the rock completely wash out the rock detail. The other ss shows dark rocks but the can see the IQ in the rock is more visible. I never played the game but it would appear there is a slight difference in daylight.

Edit: I just read Blacklash post, confirmed

[Redeemed]

If your temps on your processor aren't skyrocketing, meaning the RAM cooler is forcing your CPU cooler up on that right side, then I'd say it's strictly file related.

You may want to try booting into safe mode, uninstalling the video driver, rebooting into safe mode again, run Driver Cleaner Pro and clean out all Nvidia files, reboot again into regular Windows, reinstall your video driver to see if that fixes the problem.

You may also want to clean out your CPU HSF. Hard to tell from the blurry pics, but it looks like it's filled w/ dust.

Well, I 've been playing Oblivion for the past couple hours now, no BSODs. Though I do hate how Oblivion will periodically crash to the desktop. I've tried finding a solution to this, but it just seems to be a "Vista" thing. :rolleyes:

Oh well, atleast it is "working" now.

On question- how do I get SLi to work with Oblivion? In the control panel there isn't an "auto" option any more for SLi, I can either select SFR, AFR, AFR2, or Single GPU. Which works best of Oblivion?

[XMAN52373]

posted some numbers, loast post, page 46 incase anyone wants to see.

[XMAN52373]

Ok, figured out how to enabled AA, same settings as before but now with 4xAA enabled and in 3rd person:
Save 182:
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
2719, 60000, 27, 83, 45.317
Save 183:
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
2596, 60000, 29, 72, 43.267
Save 184:
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
2615, 60000, 28, 75, 43.583

[Xion X2]

For a direct comparison, you need to make sure that you have transparency AA enabled to multisampling in the driver and take your shots in first-person mode like we did. Also, what kind of a processor do you have? We were all running E6600's at 2.4GHz.

Your #'s don't make much sense to me because you're reporting a max in the 70s and 80s. Are you walking around the area? If so, don't. All we did was snap pics at the scene of the savepoint without moving.

It would also help if you could provide screenshots so we could verify the IQ between them. You can download fraps and snap a couple of screens of it in action, save them as JPGs w/ a basic photo program, and upload them to www.imageshack.us so we can view them.

[Xion X2]

Redeemed -

Run AFR. That's what "Recommended SLI" usually defaults to.

[XMAN52373]

For a direct comparison, you need to make sure that you have transparency AA enabled to multisampling in the driver and take your shots in first-person mode like we did. Also, what kind of a processor do you have? We were all running E6600's at 2.4GHz.

Your #'s don't make much sense to me because you're reporting a max in the 70s and 80s. Are you walking around the area? If so, don't. All we did was snap pics at the scene of the savepoint without moving.

It would also help if you could provide screenshots so we could verify the IQ between them. You can download fraps and snap a couple of screens of it in action, save them as JPGs w/ a basic photo program, and upload them to www.imageshack.us so we can view them.

Already have FRAPS, where my numbers came from. Will rerun later and post numbers and some screenies. My proc, as I stated earlier in this thread when I offered to contribute to it, is an A64 X2 3800+ oc'd to 2.5ghz from 2.0 stock. DDR500 ram, FSB is 1:1 with ram at 250 and HT is 4x. board is Asus A8N-E. 2 drives, 1 250GB with XP installed, 80GB with Vista U. The swapfile for each OS is on the other drive. EI: XP swapfile is on Vista drive and Vista swap is on XP drive. The does help with cached files as it doesn't have to tatoo the same drive you are loading from.

And yes i'm walking and running around the area.

[SLINROB]

Actual that's incorrect. The 9fps ss has less detail. What I call an "overcast" of HDR making the rock completely wash out the rock detail. The other ss shows dark rocks but the can see the IQ in the rock is more visible. I never played the game but it would appear there is a slight difference in daylight.

Edit: I just read Blacklash post, confirmed


Dude.....I was joking.

[Redeemed]

Redeemed -

Run AFR. That's what "Recommended SLI" usually defaults to.

You mean just regular "AFR"- not AFR2- correct? I'll try that, thanks man. :D

[XMAN52373]

Ok, first of 6 screenshots. Took one from each save in first and 3rd person view. 16xAF, 4xAA/trans set to MS, all setting at max.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/711/oblivionsave182yk5.th.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivionsave182yk5.jpg)
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/1199/oblivionsave183sj7.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivionsave183sj7.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8160/oblivionsave184qq3.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivionsave184qq3.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7180/oblivionsave1823rdbs5.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivionsave1823rdbs5.jpg)
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8659/oblivionsave1833rdmc2.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivionsave1833rdmc2.jpg)
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7526/oblivionsave1843rdit9.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivionsave1843rdit9.jpg)