R600vsG80 Benchmark Comparisons From Any Game Welcome!

[Blacklash]

NM.

[mtl]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/xfx-gf8800ultra-extreme.html
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2007/06/20/company_of_heroes_dx10_comparison/1
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/06/19/evga_nforce_650i_ultra/1

According to the latest CREDIBLE reviews, the 2900 XT is hardly a strong opponent to the GTX in performance DX 10 0r 9, performance, or efficiency, not to mention slightly inferior IQ.

[mtl]

Sorry, wrong link in last post. Should be
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/06/15/xfx_geforce_8800_ultra_650m_xt/1
pardon me

[fivefeet8]

Guys, this isn't the "Reviews" thread. ;)

[mRYellow]

@ Henesly4You

U the noob! I agree with Redeemed that ATi driver support is much better than nVidia. I owned my G80 from the launch day...and drivers sucked...escpecially in vista. XP was OK.

The thing that worries me about the 2900 is that its 6months late to the party and thats hurt ATi (AMD) really hard. We were all expecting a G80 killer. In the meantime nVidia is happly developing a card that will trash current cards...last i heard it would be released this December.

[Redeemed]

Well as a matter of fact yes I did.

My my getting desperate are we. LOL. At least it was something that Nvidia promptly did a recall on and fixed and most important of all it was at least a fixable problem.

Unlike the R600's crippled method of handling AA and AF:rolleyes2

Not true at all noob. Nvidias vista drivers at the moment are actually very stable and perform about on par and sometimes better than XP. Why dont you take your head out of your ass for 2 seconds and look around.


And have you forgotten that SLI is not mainstream?:rolleyes2 meaning proper support for SLI comes second to mainstream (single gpu)

Thats right, keep clinging to that one issue (that was quickly resolved) like a ***** on a ****.

To bad for you I can name a couple of things wrong with the 2900XT (Not just one) that CANNOT and WILL not be able to be resolved in its current state.

#1. AA and AF performance issue because of the ignorant way that ATI chose for the hardware to handle it.

#2. Power consumption.

ROTF maybe for you retard. From day 1 of owning my 8800GTX it tore through that game like a raped gorilla. 20fps.....Pffftttt Moron.

Have you seen how the R600 handles FEAR? yeah, I thought so:rolleyes2

LOL so you were one of those cry babys. They went 4 months because at the time there was nothing else to fix. I had not one, not one single issue with any of my games on those drivers.

So what if ATI is releasing a driver like every other week? what good has it done them? LMAO they break more things than they fix as of lately.

Actually dumbass no game to date utilizes the unified shader architecture because we have yet to see a built from the ground up DX10 game:rolleyes2

Like I told you before, Im not impressed at all with a 900mhz OC'd R600 keeping up with a stock 8800GTX in games such as R6, Test drive.......etc.

Good grief talking about an inefficient card. LOL.

And I believe you are going to be pretty disappointed.

Idiot, the X1900XTX came out before the 7900GTX :rolleyes2

LOL. No better than the competition that came out 7 months ago:rolleyes2

And once again we have yet to see a single game that takes advantage of the USA from either card. We will see that for the first time when we finally lay eyes on the first game built ground up for full DX10 support.

Show me where I once stated I was limited to 1280X1024. IDIOT.

In your fanboy dreams maybe. I mean we have what? a whole 4-5 games that the R600 is competitive in? LMAO.

ROTFLMAO smokes it?! hardly :rolleyes: They are generally within 4-5 or so FPS of each other. Thats not what I would call smoking but rather fairly competitive.

Hell im not neglecting anything. As far as pricing is concerned it should cost less than the GPU that smokes it. LOL.

If you want to get into pricing big boy the last time I checked you could get a 640mb GTS for less $ than the R600. After all thats its main competitor remember? :rolleyes:

Again moron, let me make it clear for you. No one is impressed with a product that has to run hundreds of mhz higher than its comp just to keep up.:rolleyes: That is actually pretty darn pathetic and as for the scaling issue no it does not scale with its OC any better than the G80. In fact its actually worse because its shaders do not get overclocked the way that they do with the G80 when you up its core.

Well thats simple. Your an idiot.

Boy, you sure are sexy when you get fired up! :firedevil :naughty: :p

Look, I want to debate this with you- but I don't want to de-rail this thread any further. If you and I keep this up, the thread will either be locked or our posts deleted. So, shall we take this to another thread?

[Henesly4You]

Look, I dont want to debate this with you since im getting my candy ass handed to me. If you keep owning me the way you are right now the thread will either be locked or our posts deleted.

Its nice when someone excepts defeat. At least you have that much to say about yourself.

[MUYA]

Why can't you lot not resort to name calling? Clam it down folks...all of you

Thanks

[jAkUp]

Guys, please remember that this thread is intended for USER benchmarks.

[XMAN52373]

Guys, please remember that this thread is intended for USER benchmarks.

I posted a full list of games earlier. If anyone would like some screenies from one of the ones I listed that have not already been done, please let me know.

[Xion X2]

Like some have said, I haven't just picked out "3-4" games that favor the XT, so I don't know what this Henesly guy is talking about. So far, if you go back and read the thread, I have benched:


Tomb Raider Legend (which I specifically said was running like crap on my 2900)
F.E.A.R. (gets killed by the GTX)
Condemned (gets killed by the GTX)
R6 Vegas (rivals the GTX)
Test Drive (rivals the GTX)
Oblivion (better than GTS, behind GTX but close)
Tomb Raider Anniversary (behind GTX)
Chronicles of Riddick (rivals the GTX)
Lost Planet (behind GTX, but close)
DIRT (rivals GTX)


Now if you want me to bench much more than that, I can't help you. I'm not an EB or a GameStop. I have a limited financial income and can't buy every single PC game on the market to test.

And as you can see above, I have not excluded any titles that don't play well on my 2900, so that's utter bullsh!t. You're just an insecure little brat that has a problem with me saying anything positive about ATI.

The only argument I have made against any of this is that the 2900XT plays newer games much better, which it does. This can be seen in reviews across the net and can also be seen from my own benchmarks on this very thread. Games that were coded on the Unified Shader Architecture of the 360 like Lost Planet, DIRT, R6 Vegas and Test Drive perform much better on the 2900 than those much older games.

The problem with that is that some are so damn insecure and so sensitive about their hardware that they're not willing to research that fact. That's not my problem. I'm not here to stir the pot; I'm only here to lay out the facts. It's up to you to decide what you will/will not believe.

I appreciate those of you who have stepped in on my behalf. From now on, I will no longer be responding to any childish nonsense from posters like this Hensley guy or anyone else who wants to sit here and pick my words apart and accuse me of things that I haven't done if they're too lazy to go back and read the thread. I will only be posting #s and answering questions related specifically to those #s. But if you slam me w/ insults or come back with any comments along the lines of "ATI suXX!! NviDIa FTWWw power HUngry HogGG" etc etc expect to be ignored and taken about as seriously as a car full of clowns in a circus.

Thanks for reading,

-Xi

[|MaguS|]

Yeah well atleast my desktop wallpaper doesn't lack AA! :p

[XMAN52373]

Like some have said, I haven't just picked out "3-4" games that favor the XT, so I don't know what this Henesly guy is talking about. So far, if you go back and read the thread, I have benched:


Tomb Raider Legend (which I specifically said was running like crap on my 2900)
F.E.A.R. (gets killed by the GTX)
Condemned (gets killed by the GTX)
R6 Vegas (rivals the GTX)
Test Drive (rivals the GTX)
Oblivion (better than GTS, behind GTX but close)
Tomb Raider Anniversary (behind GTX)
Chronicles of Riddick (rivals the GTX)
Lost Planet (behind GTX, but close)
DIRT (rivals GTX)


Now if you want me to bench much more than that, I can't help you. I'm not an EB or a GameStop. I have a limited financial income and can't buy every single PC game on the market to test.

And as you can see above, I have not excluded any titles that don't play well on my 2900, so that's utter bullsh!t. You're just an insecure little brat that has a problem with me saying anything positive about ATI.

The only argument I have made against any of this is that the 2900XT plays newer games much better, which it does. This can be seen in reviews across the net and can also be seen from my own benchmarks on this very thread. Games that were coded on the Unified Shader Architecture of the 360 like Lost Planet, DIRT, R6 Vegas and Test Drive perform much better on the 2900 than those much older games.

The problem with that is that some are so damn insecure and so sensitive about their hardware that they're not willing to research that fact. That's not my problem. I'm not here to stir the pot; I'm only here to lay out the facts. It's up to you to decide what you will/will not believe.

I appreciate those of you who have stepped in on my behalf. From now on, I will no longer be responding to any childish nonsense from posters like this Hensley guy or anyone else who wants to sit here and pick my words apart and accuse me of things that I haven't done if they're too lazy to go back and read the thread. I will only be posting #s and answering questions related specifically to those #s. But if you slam me w/ insults or come back with any comments along the lines of "ATI suXX!! NviDIa FTWWw power HUngry HogGG" etc etc expect to be ignored and taken about as seriously as a car full of clowns in a circus.

Thanks for reading,

-Xi

Xion, you are one of the last people who has to defend themselves on this forum. I think we should all just ignore the noob loser wanna be and get back to doing what this thread was started for. Benching and comparing the 2900 and 8800 cards.

[Xion X2]

Yeah well atleast my desktop wallpaper doesn't lack AA! :p
Maybe next driver release... :p

[Xion X2]

Sammy--I'm seeing no difference w/ 16xHQAF enabled on Test Drive (I had HQ on before, btw, it was just set to 8x). I just don't use 16xAF because I see no visual difference w/ it enabled. But just out of curiosity I benched w/ 16xAF instead of 8xAF just while ago and snapped some screens. I've tried enabling Adaptive AA, but it's not working on this driver. The moment I enable any AA in the driver the game loses all AA and there are jaggies galore.

Same settings as before except for the 16xAF. 1680x1050 and 4xAA (in-game):

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1540/snapshot1lx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9025/testdriveunlimited20070ne4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/370/testdriveunlimited20070mp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1460/testdriveunlimited20070dp6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1932/testdriveunlimited20070hd5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/948/testdriveunlimited20070vb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1828/testdriveunlimited20070pv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5471/testdriveunlimited20070lk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see, there's no difference in performance w/ 16x anisotropic. And like I've been saying, the 2900 runs these newer games w/ AA and AF just fine. I don't know why it's struggling so much with older titles like F.E.A.R., etc but maybe it has something to do with the shaders on these newer games being utilized better. That's just me guessing, though. I'm not a programmer/engineer. I just call it like I see it.

[Xion X2]

Xion, you are one of the last people who has to defend themselves on this forum. I think we should all just ignore the noob loser wanna be and get back to doing what this thread was started for. Benching and comparing the 2900 and 8800 cards.
Kind of you to say, thank you. And yes, let's get this thread back on track for what it was meant for.

[Henesly4You]

Games that were coded on the Unified Shader Architecture of the 360 like Lost Planet, DIRT, R6 Vegas and Test Drive perform much better on the 2900 than those much older games.



LOL I love how you idiots keep stating that R6 Vegas, Test Drive, Dirt.........
are coded for USA when in fact those games are no more coded for the USA than any other game out at the moment including games such as Fear, Condemned, Stalker, TR Legends etc..... which rip the 2900XT to shreds because those titles are very very texture and shader heavy.


Let me say it ONE MORE TIME:rolleyes2

No one will see the benefits of the USA from either GPU until the first built from the ground up DX10 games arrive.

DX9 games do not take advantage of the USA so you can stop that gay little argument right now because it couldn't be further from the truth at the moment.


So again, the 2900XT is a flawed product and unfortunately there is nothing that drivers can do to resolve the stupid way that ATI chose for the hardware to handle AA and AF.

[Redeemed]

Its nice when someone excepts defeat. At least you have that much to say about yourself.

Why can't you lot not resort to name calling? Clam it down folks...all of you

Thanks

Guys, please remember that this thread is intended for USER benchmarks.

I'm not accepting defeat. You make the 2900 out to be an exact comparison to nVidia's 5800- which it is not. I'll further debate this with you gladly- just not in this thread.

Now both jAkUp and MUYA are mods- if we continue derailing this thread it'll either be locked or our posts deleted. I'm wanting to continue this debate, but we should either take it to another thread or the PMs. I'll leave that call up to you. Otherwise, I am done discussing this with you here- but I'll gladly continue in our own thread or via PMs. You chose. ;)

[Henesly4You]

I'm not accepting defeat.

Regardless if you accept it or not is no concern of mine and it doesn't change the fact that you certainly are *DEFEATED*



You make the 2900 out to be an exact comparison to nVidia's 5800- which it is not.


ROTFLMAO then why even bring that up? Self Ownage LMAO.

[XMAN52373]

I'm not accepting defeat. You make the 2900 out to be an exact comparison to nVidia's 5800- which it is not. I'll further debate this with you gladly- just not in this thread.

Now both jAkUp and MUYA are mods- if we continue derailing this thread it'll either be locked or our posts deleted. I'm wanting to continue this debate, but we should either take it to another thread or the PMs. I'll leave that call up to you. Otherwise, I am done discussing this with you here- but I'll gladly continue in our own thread or via PMs. You chose. ;)

Just ignore the wanna be man. Dont go down to his level. The guy is obviously clueless. Hell, Even CR who also frequents B3D would say this. Hell, people in the game biz who have helped develop some of those games he says dont use the USA would put him in place. Shame none come by here. It would be so interesting to see what they have to tell him.

Just stop posting to the guy. Shame we dont have an ignore funtion here

[Redeemed]

Regardless if you accept it or not is no concern of mine and it doesn't change the fact that you certainly are *DEFEATED*

ROTFLMAO then why even bring that up? Self Ownage LMAO.

I told you once, and I'll say it one last time: Either start another thread were we may continue this debate or take it to the PMs. If you do not wish to do either, then I'm through with you in this thread. I'm eager to continue debating with you- but will not do so in this thread. If you are so knowledgable, then what have you to lose? Make another thread so we can continue debating or lets take it to the PMs. If you do not wish to do either, then stop responding. I am through with you in this thread.

Just ignore the wanna be man. Dont go down to his level. The guy is obviously clueless. Hell, Even CR who also frequents B3D would say this. Hell, people in the game biz who have helped develop some of those games he says dont use the USA would put him in place. Shame none come by here. It would be so interesting to see what they have to tell him.

Just stop posting to the guy. Shame we dont have an ignore funtion here

We do have an ignore function. ;)

[Henesly4You]

I am through with you in this thread.

Yeah, how many times have we heard this:rolleyes2

Just accept your loss and move on.

[Xion X2]

LOL I love how you idiots keep stating that R6 Vegas, Test Drive, Dirt.........
are coded for USA when in fact those games are no more coded for the USA than any other game out at the moment

Those games were coded for Xenos, which is a unified shader architecture GPU in the 360.

Read and learn:
The adaptability of their hardware is something ATI is touting as well. Their Modeling Engine is really a name for a usage model ATI provides using their unified shaders
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=8

This news is.. about.. oh, 2 years old now.

DX9 games do not take advantage of the USA so you can stop that gay little argument right now

Yes, and that's why the 360, which is running DirectX9, has a GPU with a unified architecture.

Do you have one scintilla of knowledge about computers, or do you just like to stir up sh!t?

Is there an ignore feature on this forum? Because if there is I'm using it. It's useless trying to talk sense into this guy.. he doesn't know a computer from his ass. He has less knowledge about them than my grandmother.


Edit: Never mind, just found it. *ignored*

[Redeemed]

Those games were coded for Xenos, which is a unified shader architecture GPU in the 360.

Read and learn:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=8

This news is.. about.. oh, 2 years old now.



Yes, and that's why the 360, which is running DirectX9, has a GPU with a unified architecture.

Do you have one scintilla of knowledge about computers, or do you just like to stir up sh!t?

Is there an ignore feature on this forum? Because if there is I'm using it. It's useless trying to talk sense into this guy.. he doesn't know a computer from his ass. He has less knowledge about them than my grandmother.


Edit: Never mind, just found it. *ignored*

I wouldn't both putting him on ignore Xion- if he keeps up at his rate he wont be here much longer. ;)

[Henesly4You]

Those games were coded for Xenos, which is a unified shader architecture GPU in the 360.

And.........??? Those are still DX9 games which have nothing....ZILCH....NODDA.........to do with the USA:rolleyes2

Also the 360 is only capable of doing partial (certain elements of Dx10 code) Once those type of titles (partial dx10) hit the 360 then and only then will the Xenos be fully exploited with its USA.




Read and learn

ROTFL, like you should be telling me this.



Btw........Thought you were done arguing like 3-4 post ago? LOL.