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CDE_1246
05-31-07, 06:10 PM
I just got a job(finally) and I'm gonna start making money obviously. I wanna save to upgrade my computer and these are the things I want to get:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141004
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146560

Could people give me some advice or recommendations on these parts? Is it a smart upgrade becuase i need DX10 and more newer hardware. I just need to know if this a smart upgrade. And I need to know if my 500watt PSU with dual 12Volt rails will be sufficient for the video card and stuff. Based on my current configuration im not upgrading my CPU, Hard Drive or PSU. Thanks!

MUYA
05-31-07, 09:25 PM
Smart upgrade is spending heavy on the top of the line so you dun have to spend for another 2 years ;) Liek Haratha quoted...
Something like that.

I think your upgrades are future proof to a certain extent and they are mainstream ware but come fall/winter will be value.
It's all about what you want...blazing speeds in games w/o compromise.....or u can game with compromises?

CDE_1246
06-01-07, 02:36 PM
Thanks for the advice, i can game with compromise a fairly small amount. I just wanna be able to put settings at almost all the highest settings. I just dont want to have to upgrade in like another year again. Any more advice would be apprieciated. Thanks!

HaVoK19
06-01-07, 02:56 PM
If at all possiible. Id look for like an evga or bfg 650i. They have lifetime warrantys on their boards where as XFX only has a 2 year. I donno how much of a difference that makes. But if your looking to hold onto this for a long time, id look at something with a longer warranty

HaV

CDE_1246
06-01-07, 03:49 PM
Your right that is a good thing to have. I'll look at some more motherboards then by those brands becuase i know there good.

Redeemed
06-01-07, 04:11 PM
I just got a job(finally) and I'm gonna start making money obviously. I wanna save to upgrade my computer and these are the things I want to get:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141004
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146560

Could people give me some advice or recommendations on these parts? Is it a smart upgrade becuase i need DX10 and more newer hardware. I just need to know if this a smart upgrade. And I need to know if my 500watt PSU with dual 12Volt rails will be sufficient for the video card and stuff. Based on my current configuration im not upgrading my CPU, Hard Drive or PSU. Thanks!

Well, you are wanting a semi-future proof rig it seems that is DX10 capable. So far you are shooting yourself in the foot with two components already: 1.) the RAM and 2.) the video card.

320MB is far too little for any form of a "future-proof" rig, semi or otherwise. Shoot for the 640MB GTS atleast. The eVGA can be had for not much more considering how much longer it'll last you.

640MB GTS:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2%2050001402%2040000048%20106791921%201067924922 %201068314597&bop=And&Order=PRICE

$349 for the 640MB eVGA GTS. That is merely $70 more dollars that will net a world of difference in terms of performance under DX10. That $70 extra bucks is well worth this. You might have to wait just one more paycheck to make the purchase, but that wait would not be in vain.

Next, your RAM. There are several problems with your choice. The first, you are getting only one stick. This means you'll be using single channel RAM. That will hinder performance considerably. You are getting this computer for the main purpose of gaming it seems. You need to understand that with DX10 titles, such as Cyrsis, at any semi-high resolution with any decent amount of AA (think 1600x1050 or greater and 4xAA or greater) it is very reasonable to expect to fill or exceed the 640MB framebuffer of the GTS. Look at oblivion with all of it's texture mods just for an example. And the detail then is still a far cry from anything we'll see in Crysis. As such, where is the first place your computer will store that data once the framebuffer is filled? Your RAM.

As such, go for dual channel. The faster you can run your system RAM the better. The good thing about DDR2 is that it is not much slower than the DDR3 used for the framebuffer on your video card. As such if you can get faster ram, the better in this regard.

Now, I understand you are on a budget, as such I'm not gonna' recommend 2GB of DDR2 1066- though that would be awesome. Instead, let's shoot for 1GB DDR2 800, 2x512MB:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147+1052108080+1052308476+1052416064&name=DDR2+800+(PC2+6400)

Take your pick. ;) Now, consider getting a very good aftermarket cooler. Cause you are going to want to get that RAM as close to 1066 as possible. Why do I say 1066? That's as close to the speed of the video card's framebuffer that you are going to be able to get to. Remember, more than likely at some point before your next upgrade you're going to encounter a game that will require more than 640MB of framebuffer for texture data and such. As such your system RAM will be utilized. As such, you want to limit the performance hit from this as much as possible.

If you could go 2x1GB DDR2800, then do so. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147+1052108080+1052308477+1052416064&name=DDR2+800+(PC2+6400)

As you can see they start out not much more expensive than the single stick you linked to. Merely $15 more for a pair that come with a heat spreader- which is necessary for any form of overclocking. ;)

That's enough for now. Just also don't be afraid to spend $100+ for a decent PSU. I'm not gonna' recommend a specific PSU, instead I'll list some brands that you should consider purchasing from:

Silverstone, PC Power and Cooling, OCZ, and Seasonic are great brands. If possible, avoid any PSU that only has two 12v rails. Instead, try and get a PSU that has either one 12v rail with a lot of amps, a PSU with 3x 12v rails with 16+ amps per 12v rail, or a 4x 12v rail PSU with again 16+ amps per 12v rail.

CDE_1246
06-01-07, 04:16 PM
WOW! thanks for the crap load of info! Good thing theres nothing wrong with my motherboard i wanna get. But im thinking about getting this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127022
As for the RAM i guess it would be a better idea to go with 2gb of ram you put there. I guess your right with the video card, the way you put it with the extra paycheck really did change my mind after all I keep forgetting this is my money im getting lol(first job). I think I'll go with most of the stuff you put there. I think I'll just go a few more paychecks to pay for this stuff. I don't think im upgrading my PSU becuase I know that my PSU has enough watts for this and I dont use alot of power in my computer. Well thanks for the information.

Redeemed
06-01-07, 04:27 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127022

Actually i really like that one and its definetly future ready so i think im gonna go with that one and the reviews arent to bad and hey if its DOA or something i can always get a replacment.

I do not own a Core2, I cannot directly comment on any Core2 mobo as a result.

But I do still stand by the rest of my previous post. As for that mobo, it should suffice. Doesn't seem to be priced unreasonably either.

CDE_1246
06-01-07, 04:36 PM
Added everything up on newegg and the grand total with tax and shipping is:
Grand Total: $609.55
That really is not that bad considering the kinda parts were talking about here. Thank god I don't have to replace my hard drive or anything becuase I don't want to spend too much.

Redeemed
06-01-07, 04:41 PM
WOW! thanks for the crap load of info! Good thing theres nothing wrong with my motherboard i wanna get. But im thinking about getting this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127022
As for the RAM i guess it would be a better idea to go with 2gb of ram you put there. I guess your right with the video card, the way you put it with the extra paycheck really did change my mind after all I keep forgetting this is my money im getting lol(first job). I think I'll go with most of the stuff you put there. I think I'll just go a few more paychecks to pay for this stuff. I don't think im upgrading my PSU becuase I know that my PSU has enough watts for this and I dont use alot of power in my computer. Well thanks for the information.

Hey, I'm glad to help man. ;)

But your last comment there has me concerned. What are the 12v rails rating on your PSU? What PSU do you have, and what is the wattage rating?

I'm asking this because when choosing a PSU you have to consider more than just the wattage rating. The PSU really is the heart of the computer, and the electricity it provides is the blood of your system. If you get a cheap or poorly built/designed PSU, it is just like have a faulty heart beating in your chest- it will hinder your performance and could cause damage to other components. That is why the PSU is always the most important component of any build.

CDE_1246
06-01-07, 10:10 PM
Thanks, good example man.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2974641&CatId=1079#productresources
Thats the PSU I have.

Redeemed
06-02-07, 01:23 AM
Thanks, good example man.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2974641&CatId=1079#productresources
Thats the PSU I have.


You could try running a single 8800GTS. I had a 550 watt PSU that had less amps on the 12v rail... but it ran one GTS just fine. Fried as soon as I hooked the second one up though. :p

I'd go ahead and try using your current PSU. It isn't a bad one. And if it doesn't work... you can just buy a new one. Or, if you want to play it safe, you could just a new one now and avoid any problems that might arrise from you using your current PSU. Choice is yours. ;)

CDE_1246
06-02-07, 05:32 PM
Alright thanks alot man. I was planning on only running a single card anyway.