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AthlonXP1800
06-05-07, 10:17 PM
Wow it may look like this is the end of AMD as they went too far. Why didnt AMD just launched Barcelona now and admitted that it not 40% faster than Intel Clovertown?

AMD's Q2 2007 result probably will be worse than Q1 2007 and Q3 2007 are likely to be disastrous because of Intel's July price cut that will bring Quad Core CPUs to mainstream desktop, AMD will have no quad core desktop CPUs until Q1 or Q2 2008 depend on how good 65nm yield will be.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200706051252DOWJONESDJONLINE000560_FORTUNE5.htm

AMD stock plunged back to $13 level, it could go down to $9 at the end of month. Nvidia stock went up, Nvidia is now almost twice bigger than AMD.

grey_1
06-05-07, 10:39 PM
I would much rather hear that from the inq.

I can blow them off pretty comfortably. AMD needs to get a move on.

shabby
06-05-07, 10:45 PM
No no no, they're not delaying it. They're just waiting to launch the whole family of chips, you know like ati did with the x2900 and the x2400/x2600... months later :rolleyes:

AthlonXP1800
06-05-07, 10:58 PM
No no no, they're not delaying it. They're just waiting to launch the whole family of chips, you know like ati did with the x2900 and the x2400/x2600... months later :rolleyes:

No AMD didnt launched the whole family, they launched a single product 2900 XT 3 weeks ago but 2400 and 2600 were nowwhere to be seen, they were delayed to June and now it slipped to July/August.

breathemetal
06-05-07, 11:00 PM
Im so glad I switched from AMD/ATI to Intel/Nvidia

Viral
06-06-07, 03:36 AM
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1309&Itemid=1

An industry source has confirmed that K10, Barcelona CPU will start shipping in late July.

Nothing it set in stone yet. Besides, AMD wouldn't hold off release of K10 just because it isn't xxx times faster than xxx Intel proc. It's not ready, there's many reasons as to why that could be the case.

jcrox
06-06-07, 07:48 AM
"delayed" until fall?? I thought that was the launch time they'd been stating for the last several months....

superklye
06-06-07, 08:08 AM
No AMD didnt launched the whole family, they launched a single product 2900 XT 3 weeks ago but 2400 and 2600 were nowwhere to be seen, they were delayed to June and now it slipped to July/August.
He was being sarcastic...

Sazar
06-06-07, 08:42 AM
Wow it may look like this is the end of AMD as they went too far. Why didnt AMD just launched Barcelona now and admitted that it not 40% faster than Intel Clovertown?

Because you need to have a working product out the door.

Madpistol
06-06-07, 10:03 AM
Gah.... Intel continues to pummel AMD. There seems to be no stopping the Core 2 architecture. Unfortunately, Intel has several more architectures ready to go. All AMD has to do is release a product, and Intel will counter them.

They're in trouble. :(

radekhulan
06-06-07, 10:07 AM
Not only it is delayed, it is SLOOOOOOOOOOW...
http://dailytech.com/AMD+Partners+Demonstrate+Barcelona+at+16+GHz/article7554.htm

Even if you take different clock into account, current Xeon / C2Q is faster than Barcelona, and we have Penryn comming.

jcrox
06-06-07, 12:59 PM
Maybe we'll all get lucky and AMD will go under and the ATI portion will get sold off to Intel and the AMD section will get sold off to Nvidia and then things can get REALLY interesting :dance:

J-Mag
06-06-07, 01:14 PM
Maybe we'll all get lucky and AMD will go under and the ATI portion will get sold off to Intel and the AMD section will get sold off to Nvidia and then things can get REALLY interesting :dance:

Intel has already hired their own GPU designers and I hear they plan on getting into discreet GPUs. We need more companies not less, as it increases competition.

radekhulan
06-06-07, 01:27 PM
http://dailytech.com/Quick+and+Dirty+AMD+K10+Cinebench/article7574.htm

Cinebench completed the default benchmark in 27 seconds for the 1.6 GHz K10; 17 seconds for the Intel Xeon X3220. The Kentsfield Xeon was 58% faster with a 50% higher clock frequency for Cinebench.

AthlonXP1800
06-06-07, 03:02 PM
It seem AMD probably will do paper launch Barcelona in July but the chips will start to shipping in Sept or Oct.

http://www.reuters.com/article/coMktNews/idUKN0529659920070605?rpc=11&pageNumber=1

However, AMD spokesman Phil Hughes said the company was on schedule with the chip.

"We're on track to launch Barcelona this summer and you'll see systems shipping from partners in the third quarter," he said.

Citigroup analyst Glen Young wrote in a note to clients that AMD, which lost more than five percentage points of market share in the first quarter of 2007 to its larger rival Intel Corp. (INTC.O: Quote, Profile, Research), will not not ship the chip used in computer servers, code-named Barcelona, until September or October.

Previously, the chip had been expected in June or July. Young, citing several unnamed sources, said there are problems getting enough working chips out of a silicon wafer, a measurement known in the chip industry as yield.

After saw the latest Dailytech benchmark, Barcelona will not save AMD. I cant see Barcelona going to sell well in fall 2007, OEMs are either will stick with current Opterons or switch to very powerful next generation Intel server CPUs.

walterman
06-06-07, 03:12 PM
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7554

Barcelona samples are not scaling too well. AMD partners confirmed the highest running, POST and OS capable, Barcelona processor is 2.0 GHz.

So, a 2 GHz Barcelona will perform like a 2.8 GHz Intel Quad (AMD said 40% faster in some benchs).

radekhulan
06-06-07, 03:36 PM
So, a 2 GHz Barcelona will perform like a 2.8 GHz Intel Quad (AMD said 40% faster in some benchs).

No, do not believe AMD marketing lies about Barcelona and/or R600. 2.0GHz Barcelona performs like 1.8GHz C2Q in real test done by DailyTech ;-) Barcelona is slow and late to the market (reminds me of R600), and Intel has Penryn in their sleeve.

http://dailytech.com/Quick+and+Dirty...rticle7574.htm

Cinebench completed the default benchmark in 27 seconds for the 1.6 GHz K10; 17 seconds for the Intel Xeon X3220. The Kentsfield Xeon was 58% faster with a 50% higher clock frequency for Cinebench.

walterman
06-06-07, 03:48 PM
Could be & agree.

Also, Intel has an excellent roadmap till 2010 :)

No, do not believe AMD marketing lies about Barcelona and/or R600. 2.0GHz Barcelona performs like 1.8GHz C2Q in real test done by DailyTech ;-) Barcelona is slow and late to the market (reminds me of R600), and Intel has Penryn in their sleeve.

http://dailytech.com/Quick+and+Dirty...rticle7574.htm

Cinebench completed the default benchmark in 27 seconds for the 1.6 GHz K10; 17 seconds for the Intel Xeon X3220. The Kentsfield Xeon was 58% faster with a 50% higher clock frequency for Cinebench.

Mr_LoL
06-06-07, 06:09 PM
Hector Ruiz needs to go. He simply isn't delivering. This is bad news for AMD fans.

a_big_burger
06-08-07, 05:38 PM
Just read this from Hardforum.com:
"Originally Posted by drizzt81
In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter anyway, since it has already been delayed and then delayed again, so another delay doesn't really do anything. AMD = Another Motherf... Delay." :)

Sazar
06-08-07, 05:46 PM
There are continuing issues with certain components of the marchitecture (related to memory primarily).

Thus the results can be taken with a positive spin from the benches, if we're being optimistic.

IF these benches of Barcelona right now are off the older A revision or B0 revision rather than B1 spins, there is potentially a lot of room for improvement because it means that the benches can be conducted with faster memory, higher HTT and so forth :)

But, if the lower end procs are actually functioning correctly, there could be a dillemma wrt performance.

Sazar
06-11-07, 01:09 PM
http://anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3006

:smoking:

ViN86
06-11-07, 01:13 PM
paper launch? sounds more like ATI bought AMD now :|

bull****.

DiscipleDOC
06-11-07, 02:04 PM
http://anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3006

:smoking:

This struck me:

In terms of performance or excitement, we have to say that this year's show was again dominated by Intel based products. This is not to slight AMD, but the green team really did not bring its upcoming firepower to the show. This is not because they did not want to, but as we discussed already Barcelona/Agena as well as RD790 are just not mature enough yet to make the same kind of splash that Core 2 Duo did for Intel last year - and that early Penryn/X38 previews are doing to a lesser degree this year.
I wonder what is the hold up at AMD?:(

$n][pErMan
06-11-07, 03:03 PM
Bad news for AMD is bad news for all all... before you know it Intel will get fat and lazy again and we will once again kiss good CPU's and prices goodbye... :(