NV30 benchmarks?

[JonathanM]

May be fake but I'm posting them here for those interested in speculating nevertheless...

http://zive.cpress.cz/H/PCtuning/AR.asp?ARI=106875&CHID=3&EXPS=&EXPA=

[Uttar]

Fake, it's simply speculation.

The page before that about the specs of each GPU is incorrect. That proofs they got no fact.

Example: They say the NV30 will have 1024 static instructions for the vertex shader.

nVidia officially said a few days ago in a paper that it will have 256 static instructions.

And since when do the R300 got dynamic flow control and 128bpp?

Also, the NV30 will have a max temp storage of 64 and NOT of 96!


Their benchmarks are most likely based on rumors. For example, the 2.5x figure for Quake 3 is based on a rumor everyone heard about i think.

The Pixel Shader test is the normal one, not the advanced one. There is not a SINGLE chance there's such an increase in that test. In the advanced one, who knows. But there, certainly not!


Uttar

[ChrisW]

It's just a joke. You don't believe nVidia is really going to ship their first test boards to Czechoslovakia do you?

[nutball]

Originally posted by ChrisW
It's just a joke. You don't believe nVidia is really going to ship their first test boards to Czechoslovakia do you?

They won't, 'cos there's no longer such country as Czechoslovakia :D

</PEDANT>

[ChrisW]

I can't keep up with all the changes there! What is it called now? Czech Republic?

[StealthHawk]

it has been a few years now that the country has existed :p

[SurfMonkey]

It looks as though they have taken the info that appeared on Reactor Critical (http://www.reactorcritical.com/index.shtml#l1205) and extrapolated it into a set of tests.

26K+ Madbunion marks would probably require a mental processor (4Ghz+) as it is pretty CPU bound.

The interesting bit was the timeframes they gave for releases:

NV31(MX equiv) - NV35(Ti equiv) - 2003-2004.
NV40 - 2005.


Wonder where they got that info from?

[mcortz_2000]

Howzit all,

Well what do u know. PCPOP is claiming to have NV30 benchmark results. Sound kinda fishy??? Anyway here is the link for all to see.

http://www.pcpop.com.cn/view.asp?type=news&id=7722

If those results are true then Ati is in serious trouble......

[pelly]

Generic results with no specifics.....I trust that about as far as I can throw it...

:rolleyes:

[mcortz_2000]

Well if u are good at throwing well........ naaa, anyway i am probably going to buy a 9700pro and replace it with the nv30 when it comes out so its aaaalllllll good.

[nin_fragile14]

Those graphs are actually taken from some other foreign site that wrote up that article on August 6th. (Before Nv30 even taped out...) They're fake, but no harm done.

[fishlung]

Or, you can just wait for NV30 and save your money in the meantime, since you already have a good graphics card. Sheesh... That's a lot of dough to spend on just one silly thingy. You're already losing money on your old card if you decide to sell it.

[pelly]

Wow,
mcortz_2000 I wish I had your checkbook.......There is no way I could afford to snag both those cards!

:D

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by SurfMonkey

The interesting bit was the timeframes they gave for releases:

NV31(MX equiv) - NV35(Ti equiv) - 2003-2004.
NV40 - 2005.


Wonder where they got that info from? Perhaps they just used NVIDIA's trends over the past two or so years to make a guess.

It's taken roughly a year between new core architectures (NV10-N15, NV15-NV20, etc.), and nearly two years between DX versions (NV10, NV20, NV30).

If the NV30 shows up around the new year (plus or minus a few weeks) and assuming that the NV30's delay will translate into somewhat shortened timeframes between it and the next revision, then you're looking at early summer for the NV30 Ti equivalent, and possibly late fall or next holiday season for the NV35. NV40 would show up Fall of '04... assuming NVIDIA suffers no further delays. That is, unless they ditch their current release philosophy.

And, they might very well do that, because ATi looks to be track for a R350 late spring or summer, and a R400 late next year or early '04. At the two companies current release schedules (current meaning over the past two years or so) ATi's "half generation" advantage will cultivate into a full generation advantage in about another year.

I think NVIDIA will do something... I'm just not sure when.

[legion88]

Originally posted by SurfMonkey
It looks as though they have taken the info that appeared on Reactor Critical (http://www.reactorcritical.com/index.shtml#l1205) and extrapolated it into a set of tests.

26K+ Madbunion marks would probably require a mental processor (4Ghz+) as it is pretty CPU bound.

The interesting bit was the timeframes they gave for releases:

NV31(MX equiv) - NV35(Ti equiv) - 2003-2004.
NV40 - 2005.


Wonder where they got that info from?

"Mental processor"?

Anyway, looks like the 3DMark2001 score is fake. Highly unlikely it will jump over 26,000+ unless.....the conditions were not standard. But the TI4600 scores suggest standard conditions (e.g. 1024x768x32, etc.)

The Q3 scores look "believable" if one were to assume that the NV30 is clocked 20% to 25% faster than the R300. I seem to remember people saying that the NV30 core would be clocked 400Mhz.

Looks like someone was just extrapolating. I don't read the language so maybe that is what they were doing.

[JohnsonLKD]

Lucky that I can't read Chinese...

http://www.pcpop.com.cn/view.asp?type=news&id=7722

Keep your eyes on the last picture. That can be real.

[-=DVS=-]

Used babble fish to translate lol :D


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Eldest child's position how could easily cups one hand in the other across the chest to resign, Nvidia now looks like the picture is ÎÔн³¢µ¨, silently makes oneself the murderer ïµ. This mystical weapon very possibly is soon promotes NV30, the arrow bull's eye straight refers ATi R300.

Actually I and everybody equally all very care about actually Nvidia the NV30 performance can how, whether or not can be defeated ATi R300. In order to meet everybody this kind of urgent need, now preliminary ͸© some reflect the NV30 test result, how together does understand under the NV30 skill

The NV3X parameter graph, only supplies the reference
note: Above tests the result certainly does not represent the NV30 final performance, only is is the PREVIEW suspicion type, only uses for everybody reference. Welcome everybody enthusiastically to participate the discussion


It does not make much sense but , as far as i undrestood they imagine this will be perfomance of NV 30 :D :D

[SurfMonkey]

The numbers that nVidia leaked as to the expected speed increase, over a Ti4600, were:


In Quake III Arena in 1280x1024 with 4x FSAA enabled, NV30 is going to be 2.5 times faster than the GeForce4 Ti4600.
In The Next Doom the board based on NV30 will be able to show 3.5 times or or even more of the performance the current Nvidia`s flagman has to offer us there.
NV30 will score three times more than the GeForce4 Ti4600 in 3D Mark 2001.
Effective HQ Pixel Fillrate (2x anisotropic filtering enabled) of the newcomer with will be about 2.7 times more than that of the fastest NV25.
As for pixel-shading speed, it will be 4 times of the NV25.

(Source: Reactor Critical (http://www.reactorcritical.com))

And that's what they used to generate the graphs with. Though if you look at them and work out the numbers they don't really add up. The fartmark score should be 30k+ if it really was going to be 3x faster, but it's not.

Oh my god, maybe they are for real!?.......:p

As for a *mental processor* it just seemed better than saying an *insane processor*. Things can get mental but they have to go insane :)

The graphs aren't fake but they are pure and simple speculation of how much faster nVidia thinks the NV3x should be based on paper figures.

[StealthHawk]

the 3dmark score won't be 3x as high unless FSAA and AF are both on. 3dmark is simply too CPU dependant to double the score with a fast video card.

[robert60446]

…And the day will come, when NV30 will rise from ashes, and the dark shade will cover Ati user faces…then sudden silence around the world, will be killed by scream from their throats. Scream of pain and powerlessness…

[PreservedSwine]

Originally posted by robert60446
…And the day will come, when NV30 will rise from ashes, and the dark shade will cover Ati user faces…then sudden silence around the world, will be killed by scream from their throats. Scream of pain and powerlessness…

Unfortunatley, that day probably won't happen until Feb (in volume, anyway). With another ATI card hanging over it's head about to be released (The R350)

And why would anyone be so excited about a card that is debuing over 6 months behind schedule?

The specs from and Nvidia PR have the NV30 competing pretty fairly w/ the R9700. Remember, both were supposed to be released in fall. Unfortunatley for Nvidia, the .13 fab process has put them even more nehind shedule, and it's just too late to make any major changes. If you want to get excited about something, wait for the NV35. It will mean business.

Nvidia and ATI are both been producing impressive gpu's, recently, but the fanboys are just getting stranger and stranger.

[mcortz_2000]

My cheque book is not great, but i use my xtra money on my computer so being able to run games at the best speed and IQ is what i want. I will sell each card as it is replaced by the newer one. Simple as that.

[robert60446]

Originally posted by PreservedSwine


Unfortunatley, that day probably won't happen until Feb (in volume, anyway). With another ATI card hanging over it's head about to be released (The R350)

And why would anyone be so excited about a card that is debuing over 6 months behind schedule?

The specs from and Nvidia PR have the NV30 competing pretty fairly w/ the R9700. Remember, both were supposed to be released in fall. Unfortunatley for Nvidia, the .13 fab process has put them even more nehind shedule, and it's just too late to make any major changes. If you want to get excited about something, wait for the NV35. It will mean business.

Nvidia and ATI are both been producing impressive gpu's, recently, but the fanboys are just getting stranger and stranger.

I’m not a fan boy…I’m believer…

[PreservedSwine]

I believe Nvidia is a great compnay, but the deck is just so stacked against them w/ the NV30.

That's why I say wait until they release the NV35. It won't be rushed, will be produced on (by then) proven .13 technolgy.

The NV30 is just aging more and more every day it's not released. You're kidding yourself if you think it's going to kill the R9700. Listen to what Nvidia themselved expect out of it:In Quake III Arena in 1280x1024 with 4x FSAA enabled, NV30 is going to be 2.5 times faster than the GeForce4 Ti4600.
In The Next Doom the board based on NV30 will be able to show 3.5 times or or even more of the performance the current Nvidia`s flagman has to offer us there.
NV30 will score three times more than the GeForce4 Ti4600 in 3D Mark 2001.
Effective HQ Pixel Fillrate (2x anisotropic filtering enabled) of the newcomer with will be about 2.7 times more than that of the fastest NV25.
As for pixel-shading speed, it will be 4 times of the NV25.
Nvidia claims that its upcoming GPU is capable of processing 200 millions triangles per second.
http://www.reactorcritical.com/index.shtml#l1205

Basically, this is all things the R9700 already is. It's obvious that the most startling improvements are going to be in the AA and AF arena- just look at the released specs. Just like the R9700
So far, it appears as though this card is going be be similiar to a .13 micron R9700, just much more expensive. Of course this is just my opinion- but remember these cards were being developed at the same time, but one went .13 micron, and the other went .15 micron. Going .13 has cost Nvidia several months in delays, as this card was originally supposed to be released this fall. Frankly, I'm much more interested in what the NV35 will have to offer than the NV30

[robert60446]

Originally posted by PreservedSwine
I believe Nvidia is a great compnay, but the deck is just so stacked against them w/ the NV30.

That's why I say wait until they release the NV35. It won't be rushed, will be produced on (by then) proven .13 technolgy.

The NV30 is just aging more and more every day it's not released. You're kidding yourself if you think it's going to kill the R9700. Listen to what Nvidia themselved expect out of it:
http://www.reactorcritical.com/index.shtml#l1205

Basically, this is all things the R9700 already is. It's obvious that the most startling improvements are going to be in the AA and AF arena- just look at the released specs. Just like the R9700
So far, it appears as though this card is going be be similiar to a .13 micron R9700, just much more expensive. Of course this is just my opinion- but remember these cards were being developed at the same time, but one went .13 micron, and the other went .15 micron. Going .13 has cost Nvidia several months in delays, as this card was originally supposed to be released this fall. Frankly, I'm much more interested in what the NV35 will have to offer than the NV30

I lost faith in Ati, after “lazy drivers” case. Hardware can’t work without good software…Ati proved already, that they can’t even get close to nvidia drivers. Customer service and support, that’s the way to go my friend…