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flukester
06-20-07, 11:24 AM
http://community.enemyterritory.com/index.php?q=node/58

For those that don't know. For me I really couldn't care less, but lots do for some reason. As long as I don't see a Viagra ad I'm ok. If they have Bikini advertisements, I'm totally behind it! If it lags the game to hell. I will hate them! If they try and steal info from my PC, I'm gonna hate em!

What does tick me off is the following statement. Total BS imo.


To help cover this level of on-going support without passing the costs on to the gamer, ETQW will feature appropriate advertisements in select locations of our levels.

Whatever :rolleyes:

3DBrad
06-20-07, 11:30 AM
Why doesn't id Software just get a publisher, and so maybe they can have money that way. If you're PAYING for something, you should have to have ADS. ADS is what gets you FREE stuff.

Tygerwoody
06-20-07, 11:38 AM
You guys are so right. I pay good money for my cable TV service and they STILL send me advertising commercials! When will the madness end! Before you know it, they will be putting advertisements on race cars that can only turn left!

jAkUp
06-20-07, 11:39 AM
Normally I am ok with this, but honostly, I really cannot see how it would fit into this game? On a Strogg universe??

Mr. Hunt
06-20-07, 11:46 AM
Normally I am ok with this, but honostly, I really cannot see how it would fit into this game? On a Strogg universe??

Same thoughts here... To me it fits in with say... Test Drive Unlimited... but with this kind of game I don't think it fits at all.

Tygerwoody
06-20-07, 11:50 AM
For the record. If I were in charge of Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, I would make all the players wear uniforms that look like this.

http://www.teamrensimotorsports.com/photos/2006/espn/images/DSC03892_jpg.jpg



Even the Strogg

LycosV
06-20-07, 11:51 AM
Some games in-game ads work for. I don't mind if billboards in Need for Speed have real ads versus ads for fake products. It makes it seem a little more realistic IMHO.

BUT, when the ads shown in the games are the same too many times (ie EVERY billboard advertises the same product), or when the people track whether you look at the ads, from what angles, and for how long (ie SWAT 4) they're crossed a line. When I'm watching TV they don't have a camera looking back at me to see whether or not I laugh at a commercial.

Lith1um
06-20-07, 11:59 AM
This is about much more than in game ads. Think about it for a minute. This IS about tracking your actions.

If they merely wanted to create income through in game ads, all they had to of done is sign direct contracts with the producers of specific products and place static ads in the game prior to release. For christ's sake, it's Quake Wars: Enemy Territory, the most anticipated game of 2007. Image how much Intel wants an ad included, imagine the bidding war that would transpire between coke and pepsi. They wouldn't even need a middle man to create the deal.

But that's not what they did. They included a system which places active advertising in the game, advertising which tracks which ad you are viewing, the angle you viewed it from, and how long you viewed it. All completely unneccesary to accomplish the objective. They didnt need dynamic ads at all.

What is really happening is they realize that most pc gamers watch less and less TV, go to movies less frequently, etc. In other words pc gamers tune out the outside world, particularly when gaming. That drives the advertising execs mad so they had to find a way to stick it in our faces.

Why does it have to be actively served ads that monitor if I view them, when, and how. Why does it have to use my cpu cycles, my bandwidth? Don't we already have enough performance problems, random crashes, and bugs in the PC world? Do we need to add more code, code that doesn't serve to enhance user experience in any way?

Dirt looks awesome, but it's starforce infected. Now I guess I'll have to skip QW just like I did 2142. Only diff is, I really want dirt and QW so I have to spite myself.

If they had just placed a few random static product names/images in a creative manner before release they wouldn't even have had to tell anyone they did it, and many people wouldn't even notice. They would have had their income. Instead they included spyware which actively monitors your viewing habits and uses your resources to do it.

GamerGuyX
06-20-07, 12:04 PM
Normally I am ok with this, but honostly, I really cannot see how it would fit into this game? On a Strogg universe??

The game takes place on Earth for one thing.

jAkUp
06-20-07, 12:08 PM
The game takes place on Earth for one thing.

I suppose you are right, but it is still supposed to take place far in the future, modern day Pepsi ads just wouldn't make sense.

Maybe they can make it work, I don't know, but it doesn't seem like it would work too well.

J-Mag
06-20-07, 12:15 PM
People complained the same when BF2142 came out because they thought it would ruin the immersion factor, it didn't. Even though you didn't expect the Core 2 Duo sales to be doing very well in the year 2142, it doesn't look that out of place because the ad was minimalistic in nature.

Banko
06-20-07, 12:20 PM
Normally I am ok with this, but honostly, I really cannot see how it would fit into this game? On a Strogg universe??
Well the demo is located in Japan. For the Earth Maps why not ?

If they are on the Strogg maps it wouldn't make any sense.

Dragunov
06-20-07, 12:25 PM
People complained the same when BF2142 came out because they thought it would ruin the immersion factor, it didn't. Even though you didn't expect the Core 2 Duo sales to be doing very well in the year 2142, it doesn't look that out of place because the ad was minimalistic in nature.

minimalistic, it was on a big billboard!!!

six_storm
06-20-07, 12:30 PM
The only game that I've really seen in-game advertising was NFS:MW and even then, it didn't bother me because I didn't really, really notice it. I think if they just put up billboards or banners in the game, then it's fine. But when it gets to where you can customize your character with 10 different Burger King logos, then yeah, it's a problem. Would it be bad if you HAD to have company logos on your uniform or vehicle? "Oh look FragUFest! A Starbucks F-16!!! lolwtflmaoroflcopter!!!!!!111111"

J-Mag
06-20-07, 12:40 PM
minimalistic, it was on a big billboard!!!

Yes the ad was minimalistic. There wasn't too much going on, just a shot of the etched wafer. It's not like there were some freaks dancing around it or anything.

Dragunov
06-20-07, 12:43 PM
OH, u mean it those way, I thought about the size of the ad :)

Rakeesh
06-20-07, 12:50 PM
There shouldn't be ads in games that we pay for, especially if it is out of place.

flukester
06-20-07, 01:05 PM
Ya the thought of 'what style will the ads be?!?!' was intriguing.. Be pretty stupid to have a Pepsi ad or something in it. Actually Rainbow Six Vegas had ad in it as well, irritating too that some are repeated a million times. Didn't see a lot of variety. I just can't figure QuakeWars with ads. Just seemed stupid to me but not as stupid as their cheap excuse to fund support.. C'mon..

3DBrad
06-20-07, 01:44 PM
You guys are so right. I pay good money for my cable TV service and they STILL send me advertising commercials! When will the madness end! Before you know it, they will be putting advertisements on race cars that can only turn left!

Not on movie channels. :thumbdwn:

Your point = moot

Besides, channels on TV are always producing new content.

Destroy
06-20-07, 01:44 PM
You guys are so right. I pay good money for my cable TV service and they STILL send me advertising commercials! When will the madness end! Before you know it, they will be putting advertisements on race cars that can only turn left!


Actually, when cable tv came out one of its selling points was no ads in their programming. That changed pretty quick however.

flukester
06-20-07, 01:46 PM
Wait until 2008, I heard on Radio and read in paper that by 2008 there will be limit to the length of commercials. I believe the length right now is up to a minute or so. When asked is it possible we will see 5min long commercials they said Yes! Hahahahaha! Looks like I might be behind my PC a lot more next year!! Maybe this is just in Canada, but I suspect its North America all together.

jAkUp
06-20-07, 02:12 PM
Not on movie channels. :thumbdwn:

Your point = moot

Besides, channels on TV are always producing new content.

Many popular online games also have new patches, new maps, etc. released. Continued development of games is not free. BF2142 has had many patches since its released.

Also, we pay to go to the movies and see plenty of advertisements, before and during the movie. This is really no difference, and I see absolutely no issue with it as long as it fits into the context of the game.

This is another source of revenue for game developers, and another incentive for developers to code PC Games, could be a good thing.

Tygerwoody
06-20-07, 02:20 PM
Not on movie channels. :thumbdwn:

Your point = moot

Besides, channels on TV are always producing new content.
Wow you are SOOO right Spoudazo. On Movie channels, I bet those "movie" commericials are free of charge. I bet HBO doesn't charge money to show "Previews of Oceans 13". They just give away free advertising. I'm going to call HBO right now and see if they will advertise my home videos!!!! Its free!!! Why not!!!

When I watch movies I NEVER see the backside of an Apple Laptop(aimed perfectly), or an actor holding that Heineken Beer so that the camera can see it in its full glory. And I never NEVER see Spaceship with "Dodge" logo's all over it.

There are no advertisements on movie channels. Man you owned me so bad. :retard:

rudedog
06-20-07, 02:29 PM
It comes down to if they wish to earn extra income at our expense then they need to offer us, something in return.

$30 for games with ads vs $50 for games without ads.

I also don't want to see this turn into DVD movies. Where you can't fast forward past preview trailers for upcoming movies (ads).

Right now I don't see anything in it for the customers. I only see a way for the developers/publishers to make extra money after we paid full price for the game. We the customer get NOTHING in return.

Now, I can see free expansion maps\packs like the latest BF2 map that was sponsored by Intel. That was a free add-on paid for by in game ads - I'm all for that.

Tygerwoody
06-20-07, 02:30 PM
Despite what idiots like "Spoudazo" think, there are advertisements in nearly every walk of life.
If you pay $200 to go to a basketball game, you will see advertisements for some lame ass show called "House of Pain".

If you pay $30 to go to the movie theatres, you will see dancing popcorn and twislers convincing you to kick that diet to the curb and get down with Snickers.

If you go to see your 6 year old daughter's softball game, chances are she is wearing an advertisement of some company and the wall of the field she is playing on will have a list of 50 different companies.

If you go to a McDonald's, chances are you will see advertisments on your cup for the latest movie.

If you go to watch cars racing, chances are you won't even be able to tell what kind of car it is because it has so many damn stickers on it.



Advertisement is everywhere. Get use to it. Its not going away. No sense in crying about it now when it has been around us throughout our entire lives. Seeing a billboard every now and then on a game that says "Intel" or "Nvidia" will not kill anyone. Its hardly even noticable.