Statements about leftism, do you agree with them ?

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20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.

21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principle, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.

22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.

BTW, who wrote this ?

[silence]

an idiot.:angel:

[vampireuk]

A idiot right winger who thinks he is the only person who can be right. Just the other day a right wing collumnist in a national paper was blaming the liberals for the war claiming they think war solves problems. The guy has no clue what he is talking about and just likes to have a go at people with different views to his.

[sbp]

Unabomber

[PsychoSy]

That sounds like the same freak of nature that also wrote "The Belle Curve". ;)

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Originally posted by sbp
Unabomber

Right. Sorry, this time you are completely wrong Sy ;)

It´s weird, that this is a bit out of contest. He doesn´t look neither a left or right wing, if you keep reading his manifest . Everything he said above is what he thinks that most of leftist thinks, not what he thinks. I didn´t still arrive at his point. Until 70, he looks like pretty neutral, even resembling Nietzsche.

But how did you get it so fast, sbp ? :confused:

[omghi2u]

All those traits reminds me of Jesse Jackson.

[UDawg]

Even a stoped clock is right twice a day. In this case the loonie was right. :p Bahahaha! it cuts even deeper that a nutburger pegged the liberals. LMAO

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Originally posted by UDawg71
Even a stoped clock is right twice a day. In this case the loonie was right. :p Bahahaha! it cuts even deeper that a nutburger pegged the liberals. LMAO

His actions were loonie, but I think many things he wrote needed to be thought. I will give you the link, and you will see that he is very rational in his arguments.

[UDawg]

Ya read what Ted wrote in his manifesto and read what Gore wrote in Earth in the Balance. They sound very close in ideas. Both are freaks.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Just the other day a right wing collumnist in a national paper was blaming the liberals for the war claiming they think war solves problems. The guy has no clue what he is talking about and just likes to have a go at people with different views to his.

:confused: I think he's pretty entitled to think what he wants and publish it, and I'm damn sure he has a clue what he's on about. Plus the majority of stuff I've read latley has been along the lines of "Ok enough" regarding protestors who are taking things too far... As how things relates to the war i find most of the columns to be about events, like the freeing of those two nigerian drivers etc.

[vampireuk]

Actually the guy was going on about how he has had enough of this war, then went on to blame the liberals saying how they think violence is a means to a end. Then he bitches about them not wanting the death penalty:rolleyes:

I also never said that he can't publish his opinions, but all his facts are clouded by him always blaming the liberals for absolutly anything.

Edit: Also those statements seem to be about rather extreme left wingers, I'll save the embarassment of flipping the coin and looking at the extreme right wingers;) :p

[2fast4u]

those statements grow from a completely biased point of view .. the author clearly did not try to understand leftist viewpoints. especially this

22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.

is complete bs. the author is basically trying to blame leftists for making up problems. you cant be serious about saying that there _are_ no problems in our societies without losing all your credibility. we do NOT live in capitalist wonderland, despite what extreme right-wingers want to make us believe.

20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.

jesus, this is another one. lying down in front of vehicles is a masocistic tactic? considering people in east european countries practiced this when soviet tanks rolled in? these people were highly nationalist, mk?

i dont think even the fierce conservatives among us (points at sy) will agree to these statements...

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by vampireuk

Edit: Also those statements seem to be about rather extreme left wingers, I'll save the embarassment of flipping the coin and looking at the extreme right wingers;) :p

why would that be embarrasing? Extreemist lefties or righties cause way more problems than they solve.

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by sytaylor
why would that be embarrasing? Extreemist lefties or righties cause way more problems than they solve.

I was having a little dig at some of the others on here who love to have a shot at lefties all the time;)

[UDawg]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
those statements grow from a completely biased point of view .. the author clearly did not try to understand leftist viewpoints. especially this

It is completely true. Look at the so called homeless problem we had in the 80's but all of a sudden they disappeared in teh 90's. woah where did they all go? Then again just after the 2000 election they were all over the streets again. Do you see a connection in the left was doing? I do. A problem compeletly made up just like the number of homeless. BOGUS!!!

[vampireuk]

You can't blame the problem of the homeless on the left, in fact passing the blame on such a subject is immoral. These are actual people suffering, not just some propaganda tool.

[UDawg]

Originally posted by vampireuk
You can't blame the problem of the homeless on the left, in fact passing the blame on such a subject is immoral. These are actual people suffering, not just some propaganda tool.

You obviously don't know the recient history of this problem in the US.

My point is that we never had a huge homeless problem until the Democrats made hay out of Reagan going out in the middle of the night and taking the last can of beans from homeless people.:rolleyes: The Democrats said there where hundreds of thousands of homeless on the streets and this was never true. It was a invented problem to make way for mass amounts of social spending. :rolleyes:


Also ask the democrats why so many of the homeless that are insane are on the streets to begin with.

[vampireuk]

All the insane ones will be disillusioned republicans:p :D

[UDawg]

Originally posted by vampireuk
All the insane ones will be disillusioned republicans:p :D

SO! :p

[outriding9800]

Originally posted by UDawg71
You obviously don't know the recient history of this problem in the US.

My point is that we never had a huge homeless problem until the Democrats made hay out of Reagan going out in the middle of the night and taking the last can of beans from homeless people.:rolleyes: The Democrats said there where hundreds of thousands of homeless on the streets and this was never true. It was a invented problem to make way for mass amounts of social spending. :rolleyes:


Also ask the democrats why so many of the homeless that are insane are on the streets to begin with.

1. have you ever seen reaganville ?

2. a) the health care system for people is not the best.
b) alot of people no matter how poor or "mental challenged" do not like getting handouts. they have a sense of pride.

[UDawg]

Originally posted by outriding9800
1. have you ever seen reaganville ?

2. a) the health care system for people is not the best.
b) alot of people no matter how poor or "mental challenged" do not like getting handouts. they have a sense of pride.


...and that is my point on this subject. Most (notice the word most) of the homeless fall into 3 catigories. Mental illness, chemical dependencies and they choose to live this way. I do take into consideration that there are a very small portion that do fall on hard times BUT most of them get back on their feet with in a reasonable amount of time.

[outriding9800]

Originally posted by UDawg71
...and that is my point on this subject. Most (notice the word most) of the homeless fall into 3 catigories. Mental illness, chemical dependencies and they choose to live this way. I do take into consideration that there are a very small portion that do fall on hard times BUT most of them get back on their feet with in a reasonable amount of time.

so why is so bad then to help the people who have a mental illness?

they are not capable to help themselves.

but i start to draw the line on the drug users. as for i have never done drugs ( i did get a contact buzz from a concert ) or drink ( i have gotten drunk once and it was not a pretty site )

too sum it up drugs are bad mkay...

[UDawg]

Originally posted by outriding9800
so why is so bad then to help the people who have a mental illness?

they are not capable to help themselves.

but i start to draw the line on the drug users. as for i have never done drugs ( i did get a contact buzz from a concert ) or drink ( i have gotten drunk once and it was not a pretty site )

too sum it up drugs are bad mkay...

Yes I completely agree with you on the metal illness issue. You have to remember it was the democrats who allowed them to be on the streets when they said you could not put people who don't want to be in a institution who really needed to be in one. They are the ones who let them out on the streets. These people whom I have a great deal of simpathy for need to be institutionalize to get the help they need. I know the dem supporters will say "well the institutions wern't humane ect". Like it is more humane to let them loose on the streets to fend for them selves and be a potential threat to the population.

[vampireuk]

I'm sure if I dig around slightly I can find the republicans screwing up the homless issue too;)