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Zapablast05
06-28-07, 05:36 PM
Ok. I'm going big and stepping into the ring with the big boy rigs. I'm going for an 8800GTS but I'm having a bit of a dillema. I don't know which one to get >.< so I've come to you guys. My first choice is the MSI 8800GTS because its almost the price of the 320 version:
MSI NX8800GTS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127280

What do you guys suggest? I'm getting a GTS for sure(nana2)once I get enough from lunch money :P. What do you guys recommend?

jcrox
06-28-07, 05:45 PM
I'm no longer an MSI fan, too many problems with their stuff personally. I love my EVGA though :)

breathemetal
06-28-07, 06:23 PM
Foxconn is good too.

I have a Foxconn 8800GTX Overclocked Edition
630/1000

And it runs GREAT!

But Newegg doesn't seem to sell them anymore ATM, hmmph. Maybe it was a one time thing?

ATOJAR
06-28-07, 07:23 PM
DONT go for the cheaper brand! ... get a BFG or eVGA!

randsom
06-28-07, 08:44 PM
dont forget XFX

Tr1cK
06-28-07, 09:42 PM
Another for EVGA. They are always competitive on pricing too.

einstein_314
06-28-07, 09:48 PM
Another vote for eVGA. Definately don't go for the cheaper brands. Go with either EVGA, BFG or XFX.

john19055
06-29-07, 12:03 AM
I also would go with EVGA ,8800GTS 640mb I always had good luck with there brand and if something is wrong they are quick in getting it fixed and they have a great support fourm.

methimpikehoses
06-29-07, 12:15 AM
EVGA FTW. Plus you can usually get a game bundled in the deal, and you can try the step-up program if you register.

Zapablast05
06-29-07, 02:40 AM
I'm going with the XFX GTS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150204

Zapablast05
06-29-07, 03:20 PM
Are there any objections to that card before I order it? The XFX's fan plate looks pretty sick, the one with the dog, lol. One negative thing about these cards are that they're 9" long! I'll add in the factor that I play games at 1440x900 with full settings. On HL2 games, I play 1440x900, full detail and shader settings, max AF, full HDR, and no AA and I get around 60-70FPS on my 8600GT. With MAX everything, 16X AA, 16X AF, and full details and shaders, I get around 30-40FPS. Now..I was thinking, would the 320mb be better or should I just stick with the 640mb for the future? Because I want GRAW2!! And I've played the DX10 (when I had V.U.x64) demo of Lost Planet, I GET 2.35 FPS! So, 8800GTS 640Mb, or 8800GTS 320Mb?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150204

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150172

Blacklash
06-29-07, 03:26 PM
With an Evga you can overclock and replace the stock HSF without voiding your warranty.

I love my Evga GTX and currently have a Thermalright HR-03 installed on it with a 92mm fan. I've had my card since they were released back in November of 06 and don't regret the purchase one bit. As far as IQ and performance goes; it's the best available.

Naturally I still have my original BIOS if I need to flash it back in for whatever the reason.

Yes I know you are discussing the GTS and the same applies to removing the stock HSF and overclocking. Some titles hate less than 512MB ram with AA on and high detail textures. See "Serious Sam 2" here and the rest of the review:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/msi8800gts-640_13.html#sect0

Make up your own mind, as it's your cash you are spending. Many times the 320 and 640MB will be right by one another. As you move up in resolution and increase AA the 640MB tends to move away from the 320.

Zapablast05
06-29-07, 03:42 PM
I know it's my money I'm spending. But I'm asking you guys because you guys know more than me and I'm asking people with first-hand experience with the fastest cards on the planet:cool:. I don't want to buy a card and regret it. I didn't regret getting my 8600GT until I saw the XFX card. What people want is always in the middle of what's available. But I don't know if that applies to computers, seeing that you can mod things to your specifications. I want a video card that's not too pricy, that will give me an uber ammount of FPS on any game that will come out and get max performance with my rig. I don't know if I should get the 320Mb or the 640Mb. But for some reason, I know that I'll regret getting the 320Mb but then....UGH, this is so mind shredding...640, 320, 640, 320, 640, 320 :headexplode: ! The only thing in the middle is 512 and I want GDDR3 and a higher bit interface. I'M NOT GOING ATI!!

buffbiff21
06-29-07, 03:50 PM
I would get a GTX and sacrifice food for a week. :)

Tr1cK
06-29-07, 03:57 PM
What people want is always in the middle of what's available......I know that I'll regret getting the 320Mb....I'M NOT GOING ATI!!

8800gts 320mb
8800gts 640mb
8800gtx 768mb

Seems to me you answered yourself.

Zapablast05
06-29-07, 04:26 PM
8800gts 320mb
8800gts 640mb
8800gtx 768mb

Seems to me you answered yourself.


Well, duh, lol. But what I meant was that what people want (in they're favor) is not always there, you have to settle for what's available. What you want is always in the middle, as in, it's always mixed around with what you want in one thing. I want a fast video card, DX10, not too pricey, and i want to be able to play any game on it. I'll just stick with the 640Mb GTS.


Biffbuff, if my mom gave me $100 a day for food, I would starve for the GTX, lol. The only thing my mom is buying me for my computer is my new case. Either the Sunbeam Quarterback or the Sunbeam Transformer.

Tr1cK
06-29-07, 04:31 PM
I'll just stick with the 640Mb GTS.
:thumbsup:

Blacklash
06-29-07, 05:09 PM
Fine, I'll tell you what to do :p

Get an Evga 8800GTS 640MB and register it for the Step-Up program within 30 days:

http://www.evga.com/stepup/

If you don't think it's enough card for you use the Step-Up to get full credit towards a GTX. It has a 90 day window. So after 90 days you are out of luck. If you do go GTX in the end trade it in for a "regular" one and overclock it yourself.

I'd say the same for the GTS. OC it yourself unless the overclocked card price is very close to the stock.

If it were me I'd try a regular GTS 640MB. When you find your max stable OC via testing use something like NiBiTor to edit your video card BIOS. Save that BIOS and flash it in via Nvflash. I flashed my GTX to 659|1020 (2040 effective) with my shaders clocked @ 1566. Runs great.

Naturally, save your original BIOS and do it in the recommended fashion. If you aren't comfortable with the idea, skip it. I will say I've made and flashed in various custom BIOS based off my stock BIOS over the last few days at least 8 times with zero issues. Why so many times? I was experimenting with shader and core clock in different combinations. I only adjusted; core clock, memory clock and shader clock, nothing else.

This fellow @ [H]ard did a nice job of detailing how to flash a 8800.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1199078

If you decide to use nTune to OC your graphics card, install it before the graphics driver.

Zapablast05
06-29-07, 06:14 PM
Fine, I'll tell you what to do :p

Get an Evga 8800GTS 640MB and register it for the Step-Up program within 30 days:

http://www.evga.com/stepup/

If you don't think it's enough card for you use the Step-Up to get full credit towards a GTX. It has a 90 day window. So after 90 days you are out of luck. If you do go GTX in the end trade it in for a "regular" one and overclock it yourself.

I'd say the same for the GTS. OC it yourself unless the overclocked card price is very close to the stock.

If it were me I'd try a regular GTS 640MB. When you find your max stable OC via testing use something like NiBiTor to edit your video card BIOS. Save that BIOS and flash it in via Nvflash. I flashed my GTX to 659|1020 (2040 effective) with my shaders clocked @ 1566. Runs great.

Naturally, save your original BIOS and do it in the recommended fashion. If you aren't comfortable with the idea, skip it. I will say I've made and flashed in various custom BIOS based off my stock BIOS over the last few days at least 8 times with zero issues. Why so many times? I was experimenting with shader and core clock in different combinations. I only adjusted; core clock, memory clock and shader clock, nothing else.

This fellow @ [H]ard did a nice job of detailing how to flash a 8800.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1199078

If you decide to use nTune to OC your graphics card, install it before the graphics driver.


Wait wait wait.... You can actually trade in the GTS for a GTX? I don't believe it. There has to be some type of cach. They will lose a load of money like that because people can just buy the cheapest EVGA 8800 and then step up to a GTX. So lets see..... You have to pay the difference..... I can get a cheap 320Mb GTS for $314 and step up to a GTX that's $539 but pay the difference of $222 or get a 640Mb GTS and pay the difference of $147... I think I'll try the 640Mb and then maybe step up to the GTX. All I know is that if I plan to use the Step-Up program, I'd rather have the 640 than the 320, just incase I get lazy and end up being stuck with the card. So, the 640Mb it is. Now... I gotta start digging in my couch cushions for coins and start saving up my money. Thank God for summer school. $7 a day for 6 weeks :D, $210 closer to the card :P(nana2)

Zapablast05
06-29-07, 06:18 PM
Just a side note: Will my PSU support the GTS/GTX?

Blacklash
06-29-07, 06:21 PM
Wait wait wait.... You can actually trade in the GTS for a GTX? I don't believe it. There has to be some type of cach. They will lose a load of money like that because people can just buy the cheapest EVGA 8800 and then step up to a GTX. So lets see..... You have to pay the difference..... I can get a cheap 320Mb GTS for $314 and step up to a GTX that's $539 but pay the difference of $222 or get a 640Mb GTS and pay the difference of $147... I think I'll try the 640Mb and then maybe step up to the GTX. All I know is that if I plan to use the Step-Up program, I'd rather have the 640 than the 320, just incase I get lazy and end up being stuck with the card. So, the 640Mb it is. Now... I gotta start digging in my couch cushions for coins and start saving up my money. Thank God for summer school. $7 a day for 6 weeks :D, $210 closer to the card :P(nana2)

As long as you register it within 30 days of buying it at the site I linked and try to Step-Up within the 90 days, there shouldn't be an issue moving from a 640MB GTS to a GTX if you decide to do so.

Blacklash
06-29-07, 06:30 PM
Just a side note: Will my PSU support the GTS/GTX?

There's total system load from Techreport with the GTS and GTX.

http://m1.freeshare.us/154fs966842.gif

I don't know much about your particular PSU and it should be able to handle it. If not, look into something from SeaSonic, Corsair, Silverstone or PC P&C. Below is a solid forum and site to read about PSUs and ask questions:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3

Zapablast05
06-29-07, 08:32 PM
Ok, so the 8800GTX ACS3 takes up 279. My guess would be that the 8800GTS would take up about 20% less than that? Just my guess. I just threw a random percentage out there because my math skills aren't up to par, lol. So that would be about 263?

Blacklash
06-29-07, 08:47 PM
Ok, so the 8800GTX ACS3 takes up 279. My guess would be that the 8800GTS would take up about 20% less than that? Just my guess. I just threw a random percentage out there because my math skills aren't up to par, lol. So that would be about 263?

Well if you look at the chart total system power consumption for a GTS @ 650|1060 is 262 and stock = 240. The GTX ACS3 is overclocked, a stock GTX made the total system draw 263, and one at up to 659|1060 was 282.

You may find this interesting; it's a system with a 6800 Ultra and the same in SLi, also from the Techreport:

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/sli/index.x?pg=12

You should be fine fine for a GTS 640MB and even the GTX should you go that route.

Zapablast05
06-29-07, 09:28 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm ready for the 8800GTS/GTX. Thanks guys. I'm getting a new case, posted about it in the hardware forum.