have you ever bought wow gold?

[glObalist]

Go google the history of gold farming firms. I was blown away. It is a huge racket. In fact one of the big firms was co-started by a famous child actor. I forgot his name but the whole thing is quite impressive.

Thottbot, Alakazam and many other popular sites are ALL owned by gold farming firms.

I have never justified buying gold. I do get a kick out of you making it this unforgivable sin. LOL Give me a break.

Again, have you ever downloaded a song of the internet with out paying for it? Have you ever used cracked software or a serial game?

What? Not a single proof or link to back up your claims of Blizzard pacting with the MMO goldselling companies? Well that's what I though.

I'm done here unless you can prove what you're saying. Bye.

[WeReWoLf]

Scary thing is, Allakhazam and Thottbot are both owned by IGE, which is the company that started the gold farming back in the UO/EQ days. A web report was made (yes, i'm still searching for the link so you can have your "proof") and it uncovered that a few Blizzard Exec's actually own stock in IGE. Basically it's all one big circle.

[nVJoe]

What? Not a single proof or link to back up your claims of Blizzard pacting with the MMO goldselling companies? Well that's what I though.

I'm done here unless you can prove what you're saying. Bye.
Oh gawd, stop your crying. You are worse than any woman I have meet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGE

The whole industry of MMO developers and firms like IGE have a relationship. Companies like Sony and Blizzard did not want to allow these firms to do this but companies like IGE started building capital and that as you know is power. So they basically forced companies like Sony and Blizzard to basically put up with a certain amount of activity that breaks the EULA. If you knew anything about business, you would know that they are strong arming companies like Blizzard and SOE. And as this article shows, they are snatching up employees from those companies that make MMOs. This whole business is huge.
http://wow.azzor.com/445/truth_about_IGE.php
http://web.archive.org/web/20050205025909/http://guildwars.ogaming.com/data/2315~IGEInterview.php
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9733747-7.html?tag=bl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Pierce

I will point you in the right direction. Go do some research for your self and stop being a wuss and stop being a smart ass punk who doesn't know what he is talking about.

I swear, some people's children...

[nVidi0t]

I bought 500g once to cover some enchants at level 60 while I was raiding BWL.

[glObalist]

Oh gawd, stop your crying. You are worse than any woman I have meet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGE

This is just one article. The whole industry of MMO developers and firms like IGE have a relationship. Companies like Sony and Blizzard did not want to allow these firms to do this but companies like IGE started building capital and that speaks to them. So they basically forced companies like Sony and Blizzard to basically put up with a certain amount of activity that breaks the EULA. If you knew anything about business, you would know that they are strong arming companies like Blizzard and SOE. And as this article shows, they are snatching up employees from those companies that make MMOs. This whole business is huge.
http://wow.azzor.com/445/truth_about_IGE.php
http://web.archive.org/web/20050205025909/http://guildwars.ogaming.com/data/2315~IGEInterview.php

I will point you in the right direction. Go do some research for your self and stop being a wuss and stop being a smart ass punk who doesn't know what he is talking about.

I swear, some people's children...

I'm sorry but those two links you've posted prove nothing. They only mention Blizzard in one case:

"Not only did this [buying thottbott.com] give IGE the most trafficked MMO site on the internet, it also gave it a lot of leverage against Blizzard."

O RLY? What about stating some facts?

[nVJoe]

I'm sorry but those two links you've posted prove nothing. They only mention Blizzard in one case:

"Not only did this [buying thottbott.com] give IGE the most trafficked MMO site on the internet, it also gave it a lot of leverage against Blizzard."

O RLY? What about stating some facts?
Honestly, you are a small person glObal. There are many more articles on this and you didn't even look quotes like this.
IGE continues picking up executives from Yahoo! and Vivendi Universal (owners of Blizzard) (press page)
To be sure, the execs at Blizzard and Sony Online are not feeling too sympathetic for Pierce and his fellow secondary market traffickers. But there is a mutual interest for them as they both look at the Chinese competition becoming more and more powerful.

Just those two quotes alone go directly to the point I have been making (which you are to dense to understand) that the strong arming and the mutual intrest in making money is what is pushing this whole market. Go and Google for your self. There are forums after forums that talk about this market and it is something you obviously know nothing about.

Why do idiots like you eve bother posting? You are to lazy to investigate, too stupid to read and to ignorant to understand what you are reading. It is dumb azzes like you, why forums suck, especially any forum that has anything to do with gaming.

Rarely flame people in this forum. There two things that set me off, anti-American crap in the PF, you get flamed from me for that sheer lazy stupidity. You sit on your ass crying about this and that yet you make no attempt to research. I just can't stand kids like you.

http://www.ski-epic.com/world_of_warcraft_guide/world_of_warcraft_gold_farming_controversy.html
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-20-2005-84463.asp

I noticed you still haven't answered my question if you have ever downloaded music with out paying, DLd' serialz, warez, crackz ect...

[Tr1cK]

I've done it and I'm not ashamed one bit. Unlike the anti gold farming advocates, I have a career and a life which includes a wife and family. Work and chores need to be done in real life. Working in a game that's supposed to be fun isn't on top of my priorities.

[glObalist]

Honestly, you are a small person glObal. There are many more articles on this and you didn't even look quotes like this.



Just those two quotes alone go directly to the point I have been making (which you are to dense to understand) that the strong arming and the mutual intrest in making money is what is pushing this whole market. Go and Google for your self. There are forums after forums that talk about this market and it is something you obviously know nothing about.

Why do idiots like you eve bother posting? You are to lazy to investigate, too stupid to read and to ignorant to understand what you are reading. It is dumb azzes like you, why forums suck, especially any forum that has anything to do with gaming.

Rarely flame people in this forum. There two things that set me off, anti-American crap in the PF, you get flamed from me for that sheer lazy stupidity. You sit on your ass crying about this and that yet you make no attempt to research. I just can't stand kids like you.

http://www.ski-epic.com/world_of_warcraft_guide/world_of_warcraft_gold_farming_controversy.html
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-20-2005-84463.asp

I noticed you still haven't answered my question if you have ever downloaded music with out paying, DLd' serialz, warez, crackz ect...

Yea whatever, so Blizzard isn't going out of their way and devote all their resources to ban goldselling. Maybe they have more important things to make and fix? Still doesn't mean they are condoning of it. It's just dumbasses (yes it's you who started with the insults) like you who spread the FUD and even buy the gold. Get some fricken' morals. Nuff said.

And don't try to drag warez into this. It's you who came to this thread boasting of your EULA-breaking activity.

[nVJoe]

Yea whatever, so Blizzard isn't going out of their way and devote all their resources to ban goldselling. Maybe they have more important things to make and fix? Still doesn't mean they are condoning of it. It's just dumbasses (yes it's you who started with the insults) like you who spread the FUD and even buy the gold. Get some fricken' morals. Nuff said.

And don't try to drag warez into this. It's you who came to this thread boasting of your EULA-breaking activity.
LOL you don't want to look at what you do. I fully admit I am breaking the EULA. Yet you get mad at me for doing that while you do all sorts of out right ILLEGAL downloading. LOL! you Hypocrite! LOL You're so pathetic. Don't talk morals to me. LOL! You point your crooked little finger at me while doing the same in a different area :udawg:

Let me tell you again what my point is. Blizzard, SOE and all the other companies who put out MMOs do not want gold farming in their games and I don't blame them. The problem is the gold farming firms are STRONG ARMING them and forcing Blizzard and other into accepting a certain amount. It is against what they want to do but they understand this is not a fight that can be completely won so they do what they can. That was all that I was trying to say.

I tell you what. I think I will buy 50 gold this evening in your name. BAHAHAHAAHAH!

/slaps GlObal on the arss.

I'm done with this. I made my point and enjoyed you backing down but still trying to be tough while you put your tail between your legs. LOL

Thanks for the laugh.

[glObalist]

LOL you don't want to look at what you do. I fully admit I am breaking the EULA. Yet you get mad at me for doing that while you do all sorts of out right ILLEGAL downloading. LOL! you Hypocrite! LOL You're so pathetic. Don't talk morals to me. LOL! You point your crooked little finger at me while doing the same in a different area :udawg:

Let me tell you again what my point is. Blizzard, SOE and all the other companies who put out MMOs do not want gold farming in their games and I don't blame them. The problem is the gold farming firms are STRONG ARMING them and forcing Blizzard and other into accepting a certain amount. It is against what they want to do but they understand this is not a fight that can be completely won so they do what they can. That was all that I was trying to say.

I tell you what. I think I will buy 50 gold this evening in your name. BAHAHAHAAHAH!

/slaps GlObal on the arss.

I'm done with this. I made my point and enjoyed you backing down but still trying to be tough while you put your tail between your legs. LOL

Thanks for the laugh.

WTF? Why are you putting in bold something I never said? I never said I download warez or illegal stuff, in fact the only game I play is WoW and the only music I'm listening to is from the local radio station.

Now back to MY point. What I find quite pathetic is you and a couple of others THINK Blizz is bowing down to the gold-selling industry and therefore feel comfortable to buy wow gold, yet you can't prove it. Yes claims like ZOMG theRE STONGARMING BLIZZ and BLIZZ CANT BAN goldselllerz LOL don't pass as proof in my book.

I thought your morals was better, that's all. :p

P.S. OMG, this feels like arguing with Udawg... :D

[nVJoe]

LOL!

[Hambone]

I've done it and I'm not ashamed one bit. Unlike the anti gold farming advocates, I have a career and a life which includes a wife and family. Work and chores need to be done in real life. Working in a game that's supposed to be fun isn't on top of my priorities.

Yep, that's about where I am. I've bought "gold" in the past for:
-EQ2
-CoH
-WoW

I have a wife and one of those full time adult "job" things. From the start, even 50g in WoW can buy you some big bags, bank slots, and some better gear to take a lot of the stress off.

I think I've made 10 different gold transactions over the last few years and have never had a problem of any kind from doing it.

Also... I was a big user of Evercraft. I never used the "GM" Protection and ran 5 toons up to lvl 70 crafters. Even though the crafting system in EQ2 has been dumbed down really close to the moron level WoW crafting system, it's still a long grind fest to get to 70. I'd load a crafter up to where they could barely move - with all bank vault boxes in their bag slots and plan out a long craft grind for them - leaving them running from the time I got home from work till the time I got up in the morning. I kept waiting to get banned ... I was being so careless about it. I never heard anything about it at all. In fact there were crafting botters and Broker (auction house) botters that I swear were on 24/7 for weeks at a time. I made GM ticket complaints about one of these three times just to see if anything would ever happen, but it never did.

[jolle]

I havent, and I prolly never will.
Im already paying the monthly fee for the game, not gonna spend any more money on it.
Besides Im not all for supporting these type of activities after the annoyance of bots grinding up Q mobs etc.
But I can see the point where people buy gold instead of grind for it.
I havent really ever been grinding for gold, its just one of those things that trickle in via normal gameplay, and I dont spend at all much money ingame really..

[Dvahlish]

I have twice and so has my bf.

For my firsdt character I didnt, Ill admit.
But when I rolled my next character I did, basically it just made the game easier and faster for me and I loved the fact that I could afford things.

Would I do it again?
Hell yes.

TRhe game is there for you to play it however you want to and I dont condone people telling others "morally" how the game should be played.

Ill play it my way thanks....and that involves having a comfortable gold allowance :)

[Dvahlish]

When the day is done, and no I can't prove this; but I'd bet bottom to dollar that many of these gold sellers, are the same people who are hacking into people's accounts and stealing their gold, probably to resell. I've been hearing of more of this lattely, such as just the other week our guild master losign 4,200 gold when he was saving up for an epic mount. This was followed by about 20 people in guild all reporting in a short time after they had been hacked also.

Really?
Now how does this happen?
I have heard of people have things taken from thier accounts but these were people that were silly enough to pay for levelling and had to giove over thier usernames and passwords in order for this to happen.

At the end of the day...I dont tell people how to play thier game and I wish not to be told myself but, if your silly enough to givew out your account details to a stranger...then.................................

[jeffmd]

countless accounts get stolen via keyloggers when idiots visit the wrong sites using unpatched internet explorers.

Arguing about buying gold is dumb, you can't do much with it except get your epic flyer. I finally saved up 5k for my epic flyer, and thanks to the new dailies for netherwing, I have allready made 1800g back in less then 2 weeks and easily make 100g a day in dailies. Whats worse, I have nothing to spend it on. You cant buy many descent armors or other items of worthwhile. You either get your stuff in group dungions, pvp, gaining factions, raiding, or max out tradeskills and obtain the rare recipies.

[Son Goku]

The exact particulars of how they do it, not entirely certain. But no way in hell am I convinced that Blizzard's network is "perfectly secure", when there really is no such things, and corporations and military networks can get broaken into, which makes the news from time to time. Now add to this that Blizzard doesn't even require case sensitive passwords (try it sometime, ignore case while entering your password), doesn't enforce a password experiation time, etc...

Thing is, these gold farmers aren't just solo individuals, but seem larger then that. And the idea that some rather savy hackers might be in their ranks/possible employ? wouldn't surprise me.

This said, a druid in my main's new guild was away for several days, and had their account hacked into also. The background of what they might/might not have done, don't know. But they came back from vacation to find all their alts deleted, an alt at quite low lvl crreated, and their main having logged off in Uldaman. All of their druid's gear, except their tanking gear, was vendored with money gone also. We sorta laughed, and were surprised that the gold farmer woulda kept the tanking gear, but scrapped the DPS/cat form gear, to go farming lowbie instances with.