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BizSAR
07-12-07, 03:17 PM
Hey all,

Help me make up my mind here, please. I need to get a new AGP card (can't afford to upgrade mobo, CPU, etc. for PCI-E for at least a year), and I'm stuck on which one to purchase.

Here's what I'm looking at:
BFG GeForce 7800GS 256MB (higher clock speeds) - $199.99
BFG GeForce 7600GS 512MB (more on-board RAM) - $179.99 - $50 rebate = $129.99

I'm pretty much stuck purchasing one or the other at the stated prices for various reasons. I am having a hard time finding definitive benchmarks for each so I can compare, and I don't know enough about each to make a good decision.

I'm looking at what card will be the fastest overall (I play everything from BF2142 to CS:S to S.T.A.L.K.E.R.), and also keeping in mind the intrinsic value of the card considering the prices. I'm "upgrading" from my EVGA 6800GT since it pretty much puked out on me.

Any thoughts/ideas/pearls of wisdom?

Uberpwnage
07-12-07, 03:45 PM
Well if you're locked into those two cards, get the 7800GS, even with less ram, it beats the 7600GS considerably in all benchmarks. A 7600 would basically be the same speed as your old 6800, no point in that. More ram is useless if it's low bandwidth, like in the 7600.

BizSAR
07-12-07, 04:02 PM
That's where I was leaning toward based upon my investigations so far, but wanted to confirm that with someone that might know a bit more about it than myself.

Thanks for your help. :)

CaptNKILL
07-12-07, 05:02 PM
Definitely go with the 7800.

It'll probably be a little faster than your 6800GT in most cases. The 7600 would always be slower though.

J-Mag
07-12-07, 05:08 PM
NEITHER!

Get the EVGA 7800gs from Newegg ($135 AR):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130274&ATT=14-130-274&CMP=OTC-17exta6

I've had pretty good experiences with EVGA rebates too with turn around in just a couple weeks in one case.

BizSAR
07-12-07, 05:11 PM
All great input! Thank you very much!

J-Mag, the reason I'm locked in to those prices is that I'm broke, but I do have some wiggle room on my Fry's credit card (gulp - I know they suck hard, but I don't have any other options). SO, I'm at their mercy for pricing and availability. :(

...actually, on their lame website, outpost.com, they do show the EVGA 7800GS for $149.99 AR...I'm just not sure it is in the store, and I can't use their own credit card on their own website (don't get me started on Fry's :) ).

That brings up another question: Assuming the EVGA and BFG are both in-store, with the slight OC (I can do it myself tho) and lifetime warranty, is it worth it to spend the extra $50 AR on the BFG?

J-Mag
07-12-07, 05:16 PM
J-Mag, the reason I'm locked in to those prices is that I'm broke, but I do have some wiggle room on my Fry's credit card (gulp). SO, I'm at their mercy for pricing and availability. :(

I was wondering why you were picking high prices... At least you can return it and fry's will even do it past 30days for store credit. I've often pondered an endless monthly cycle of returns, as it seems prices drop on video cards fast enough to make it worth it.

Madpistol
07-12-07, 05:44 PM
7800gs for sure. the 7600gs is on par with the 6800 series, so the 512MB of memory will probably never be used.

Moo
07-12-07, 06:10 PM
Yes, it's a dying format, but what's the best AGP card out there money can buy (and best bang-for-buck)? Not workstation cards.

VoodooNinja
07-12-07, 06:24 PM
X1950 Pro 512mb AGP is one heck of a card, and they can be picked up for under $200 too. 7950GT 512MB AGP is a little pricier, but can be had for $240 from MWAVE.

ynnek
07-12-07, 08:31 PM
X1950 Pro 512mb AGP is one heck of a card, and they can be picked up for under $200 too. 7950GT 512MB AGP is a little pricier, but can be had for $240 from MWAVE.

Newegg has them cheaper.. As much as I like Nvidia cards and the brands that offer lifetime warranty, the 1950pro agp is a great card in the space..

I was contemplating doing exactly this too (although my 6800GT still lived on, thanks to BFG lifetime warranty).. but decided to save and jump to PCIe.

PS, the 7600GS probably will be about as fast as your 6800GT. At best, it'll be like 10-20% faster, which is not very noticeable, even when you take 20% of say, 20 fps.

BizSAR
07-13-07, 02:45 AM
I went with the EVGA 7800GS. The BFG was actually $229, and the EVGA was $149 AR. EVGA has a lifetime warranty, and the measly amount the BFG is OC'ed is easily done (and then some) on the EVGA, if I'm so inclined (which I'm not atm). Definitely not worth the extra $80 IMHO.

Plus, if I win an Intel 6800 CPU and/or mobo at PDXLAN 10, I'm within the 90-day trade-up program EVGA offers.

Oh! Fry's did have the ATi X1950 Pro for $279. Way not worth it, IMHO.

Thanks for all your help/dialog gang!

ynnek
07-13-07, 11:16 AM
I went with the EVGA 7800GS. The BFG was actually $229, and the EVGA was $149 AR. EVGA has a lifetime warranty, and the measly amount the BFG is OC'ed is easily done (and then some) on the EVGA, if I'm so inclined (which I'm not atm). Definitely not worth the extra $80 IMHO.

Plus, if I win an Intel 6800 CPU and/or mobo at PDXLAN 10, I'm within the 90-day trade-up program EVGA offers.

Oh! Fry's did have the ATi X1950 Pro for $279. Way not worth it, IMHO.

Thanks for all your help/dialog gang!

Ah, another fellow NW'er.. I really should check out PDXLAN. My only excuse is I'm too lazy to haul my system back and forth. ;)

j0j081
07-15-07, 08:16 AM
7800gs ocs really nicely to.

BizSAR
07-16-07, 12:42 AM
Oddly enough, the BFG 7800GS OC card states that it's core clock is set to 400MHz with 375MHz being standard. It's memory is set to 1250MHz with 1200MHz being standard. The EVGA card is reporting that it's factory-shipped clock frequencies are 430MHz core and 1300MHz memory. EVGA has it OC'ed even more than BFG.
...just thought that was interesting...I really don't need to OC it much myself.

j0j081
07-16-07, 11:44 AM
yeah at the time I got mine BFG was cheaper so I ocd to the EVGA speeds right away. Could probably go a lot higher though.