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glObalist
08-13-07, 10:47 AM
Geez, and I only started to hit lvl 64 in TBC's Terokkar Forest...

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/

nVidi0t
08-13-07, 05:10 PM
Of course I'm looking forward to this. Wouldn't expect anything less than a brilliant expansion from Blizzard.

lIqUID
08-13-07, 05:17 PM
Another lame ass grind, no thanks. They still haven't balanced classes at all, and now they are throwing another into the mix. Not to mention the fact of all the raid content they are adding when less than 3% of the population have seen BT.

By the time this comes out most of the good PVPers will be playing Warhammer Online anyways:headexplode:

remove arenas, fix world PVP and give people a reason to want to kill the other faction, then I'll care. If I want to arena I'll play Guildwars, and if I cared about PVE I would be playing Everquest or something.

WoW = Waiting on Warhammer.

|MaguS|
08-13-07, 05:18 PM
Another lame ass grind, no thanks. They still haven't balanced classes at all, and now they are throwing another into the mix. Not to mention the fact of all the raid content they are adding when less than 3% of the population have seen BT, and some of the rest.

By the time this comes out most of the good PVPers will be playing Warhammer Online anyways:headexplode:

remove arenas, fix world PVP and give people a reason to want to kill the other faction, then I'll care. If I want to arena I'll play Guildwars, and if I cared about PVE I would be playing Everquest or something.

WoW = Waiting on Warhammer.

Class Balancing? In a MMO? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

/dies

nVJoe
08-13-07, 06:38 PM
Another lame ass grind, no thanks. They still haven't balanced classes at all, and now they are throwing another into the mix. Not to mention the fact of all the raid content they are adding when less than 3% of the population have seen BT.

By the time this comes out most of the good PVPers will be playing Warhammer Online anyways:headexplode:

remove arenas, fix world PVP and give people a reason to want to kill the other faction, then I'll care. If I want to arena I'll play Guildwars, and if I cared about PVE I would be playing Everquest or something.

WoW = Waiting on Warhammer.
Did you not see the siege play they added to the game?

MMOs are about grinding, get used to it or don't play them

WRT to balancing out the classes, it isn't going to happen. Here are the broken classes in order of brokeness

Druid
Pallies
Mages
Hunters

All of the above classes are GODS in PVP. They are so damn powerful that you need a number of other classes bring them down. If you are a warrior, priest shammie or rogue you are SOL. A warrior is only as good as the healer he has other wise he is a easy kill. Rogues can take down another class but not the classes I listed. If a rogue is in the open he is dead on sight.

Now let me focus in on druids for a second. This class absolutely pisses me off. Not only are they hard to kill one on one but they can tank better than warriors and then heal them selves. They have more HP and armor than warriors which is just out right maddening. If you want to tank be a druid and the warrior can just fall off of Azeroth because they are useless.

Pallies, for get about it. I have see 10 people try to kill a pally for over 4 minutes in AV. He had epic gear but so did many of the pvpers who were trying to kill him and you give the pally a couple of mods and BAM! you have a class in god mode.

Mages are just pure BS. They have slow, icelance which was toned down a bit but it still is wicked and they hit for a ton.

Hunters with their new mend pet improvement are nearly unstoppable. This talent they gave them broke them.

What they need to do is get rid of the long quest for Ony and Nax so people will go in there on their way up to outlands. They also need to cut down Ony, Nax, BWL and MC to 20 man raids so people will go in there on their way to Outlands.

My rant is over and with all that said, the new expansion looks fun. I play WoW on a new server on a new account. We hang out and do questing in our new guild to have fun. If you keep WoW on that level it is really fun. If you want to take it serious as some do, you will be frustrated because class balancing will not happen.

nVidi0t
08-13-07, 06:40 PM
I haven't been to a raid in a long time, but I can still attend whenever I want. We are currently working on BT (SSC Cleared). I mainly play alts and do PvP. The gear from the standard 70 dungeons or heroic is good enough to get by even against T4/T5. You don't need to raid.

What UDawg said about pvp it totally true. (this coming from a warrior/rogue)

nVJoe
08-13-07, 07:01 PM
What UDawg said about pvp it totally true. (this coming from a warrior/rogue)
I do consider a class being over powered to be a broken class. It isn't fair to that class and all the other classes.

I will say this, I have a shadow priest on Baelgun name Blarf in the 40s bracket. He can do amazing things with his power. I can take on 4 or 5 and keep them busy till the flag carrier is safe. I will die but I will take down two with me and the others will be damaged very badly from my dots. They better not get in a fight right after me or they will die quickly.

Here is one example. I destroyed a pally that was a 49 and I am a 48. He never had a chance. I dot him up, vamperic embrace and fear him. While he is feared I spam mana burn. By the time he gets back he has half health and 3/4 his mana left. With my healing and another fear he is toast.

I also got jumped by a 46 priest. I was giving BG directions while on the horde's ramp. He dotted me up, popped me twice with smite and mind blast. I had 3/4 my health left. Then he feared me. Once I was done feared I had 200 HP left but that priest didn't know how to conserve mana. He was laughing at me and spitting at me when he thought he had a easy kill of a priest two levels above him. LOL Here is where it went wrong for him. I feared him, dotted him up and vanperic embraced him to get HP back. I healed my self to full health threw on gift of the naruu and symbol of hope to get more mana back. Then I went into shadow form and he shat a brick. He tried to run but I blasted him two times with mind blast and mind flayed him one time and he was dead. That made me really happy. :D

Ok one more story. I got on the boat in BB to go to Tanaris. A lvl 40 pally challenges me to a duel on the boat. First off I hate people who spam dueling challenges, it pisses me off. Secondly NEVER challenge a shadow priest on a boat. I wait till he hammer of GAYNESS stuns me, then I mind controled him and threw his arss off the boat. We were just before the screen load so he was way out in the water. LOL! He was swearing at me for 5 minutes or so it seemed. LOL I told him I hated pallies and he should never duel priests on boats.

vampireuk
08-13-07, 07:17 PM
What I remember about warriors in pvp they take down 2-3 then just get dead big time.

nVJoe
08-13-07, 07:22 PM
What I remember about warriors in pvp they take down 2-3 then just get dead big time.
A shadow priest can wreck a warrior easily and always could, that is of course if the priest is a good player but basically you are correct. Warrior ran in killed one or two and died. LOL most other classes can get out after killing a couple.

lIqUID
08-13-07, 07:25 PM
Did you not see the siege play they added to the game?

MMOs are about grinding, get used to it or don't play them


that same siege play will be in Warhammer Online, so I wont be missing anything but some lame rep grind for subpar equipment, or better yet mote farming yay!:rolleyes:

you obviously like WoW and thats awesome, but I've been in it since beta 3 and I just want to play something not centered around raiders or faction grinding.

the approach Mythic is taking with Warhammer will at least make the game feel like less of a grind with the pvp related quests, and public questing systems.

|MaguS|
08-13-07, 07:26 PM
I liked my hunter....

nVidi0t
08-13-07, 07:26 PM
I do consider a class being over powered to be a broken class. It isn't fair to that class and all the other classes.

I will say this, I have a shadow priest on Baelgun name Blarf in the 40s bracket. He can do amazing things with his power. I can take on 4 or 5 and keep them busy till the flag carrier is safe. I will die but I will take down two with me and the others will be damaged very badly from my dots. They better not get in a fight right after me or they will die quickly.

Here is one example. I destroyed a pally that was a 49 and I am a 48. He never had a chance. I dot him up, vamperic embrace and fear him. While he is feared I spam mana burn. By the time he gets back he has half health and 3/4 his mana left. With my healing and another fear he is toast.

I also got jumped by a 46 priest. I was giving BG directions while on the horde's ramp. He dotted me up, popped me twice with smite and mind blast. I had 3/4 my health left. Then he feared me. Once I was done feared I had 200 HP left but that priest didn't know how to conserve mana. He was laughing at me and spitting at me when he thought he had a easy kill of a priest two levels above him. LOL Here is where it went wrong for him. I feared him, dotted him up and vanperic embraced him to get HP back. I healed my self to full health threw on gift of the naruu and symbol of hope to get more mana back. Then I went into shadow form and he shat a brick. He tried to run but I blasted him two times with mind blast and mind flayed him one time and he was dead. That made me really happy. :D

Ok one more story. I got on the boat in BB to go to Tanaris. A lvl 40 pally challenges me to a duel on the boat. First off I hate people who spam dueling challenges, it pisses me off. Secondly NEVER challenge a shadow priest on a boat. I wait till he hammer of GAYNESS stuns me, then I mind controled him and threw his arss off the boat. We were just before the screen load so he was way out in the water. LOL! He was swearing at me for 5 minutes or so it seemed. LOL I told him I hated pallies and he should never duel priests on boats.

Hahahaha great! I have a priest alt and I used to MC people into the lava before BWL (nana2)

The only class I can't stand in any way shape or form is Paladin. With my main (warrior) who is pretty darn well geared (months of Kara and SSC) I cant handle an epic paladin who happens to know how to play. It's the most frustrating thing I have experienced in the game. Their health pool, huge damage reduction through armor, resilience rating, bubble, heals and crazy burst dps are just absurd. It's even worse with my rogue where it's hard to even put a dent in their health bar.

Druids are a pain in the ass too. As soon as they shift to bear form and happen to have a healer nearby its just game over. At least I can demolish oomkin. Dueling a mage iis akin to a sherry enema. No thanks.

nVJoe
08-13-07, 07:38 PM
Hahahaha great! I have a priest alt and I used to MC people into the lava before BWL (nana2)

The only class I can't stand in any way shape or form is Paladin. With my main (warrior) who is pretty darn well geared (months of Kara and SSC) I cant handle an epic paladin who happens to know how to play. It's the most frustrating thing I have experienced in the game. Their health pool, huge damage reduction through armor, resilience rating, bubble, heals and crazy burst dps are just absurd. It's even worse with my rogue where it's hard to even put a dent in their health bar.

Druids are a pain in the ass too. As soon as they shift to bear form and happen to have a healer nearby its just game over. At least I can demolish oomkin. Dueling a mage iis akin to a sherry enema. No thanks.
LOL! Warriors should not duel. My main for two years was a Tier 2 warrior. I dumped him and went to the horde side to PVP.

I liked my hunter....
Hunters are fun. I am going to make a 49 twink hunter. A guildie and I will be trolling the middle with our huntArds racking up HK and assisting the FC to the tunnel.

that same siege play will be in Warhammer Online, so I wont be missing anything but some lame rep grind for subpar equipment, or better yet mote farming yay!:rolleyes:
I hear that bro. I can't wait for Warhammer to come out.
Mote farming is teh lose.

you obviously like WoW and thats awesome, but I've been in it since beta 3 and I just want to play something not centered around raiders or faction grinding.
I agree. I've been in it since December of year 1. I want Warhammer big time. I will drop WoW in a heart beat if Warhammer meets my expectations.

No you misunderstood me. WoW drives me nuts but it is the only MMO out there, so I play it till a better one comes along. I almost cried when Conan was pushed back.

the approach Mythic is taking with Warhammer will at least make the game feel like less of a grind with the pvp related quests, and public questing systems.
I hope so. The one problem I do have with warhammer is the player movement. It looks way too stiff. For some reason it bugs me but if the game play is up to par, who cares.

nVidi0t
08-13-07, 07:41 PM
Warhammer will be great, of that I'm certain. Mythic have a fantastic team and great support from GW to make WH:O a classic. Right now WoW is the best MMO by leaps and bounds and I happen to really enjoy it. Looking forward to Age of Conan too.

vampireuk
08-13-07, 08:04 PM
Warriors were great in that capture the flag thing that first came out since it was 5 on 5 you never really got swamped and you could slow people down and maul them. I remember charging in time after time with recklessness and spam whirlwind and cleave. :D

nVidi0t
08-13-07, 08:12 PM
Ahh the good ol' days!

Son Goku
08-14-07, 01:54 PM
Hahahaha great! I have a priest alt and I used to MC people into the lava before BWL (nana2) .

A priest we knew used to MC people into inns, and MC the opposite faction into killing civies, before the ranks disappeared. When our raid group would have some deaths, he'd be like "I don't care I caused them to kill 3 civilians this raid, 30% lost honor :D " This was before Blizzard removed ranks from the PvP system.

One time when when a few of us got sick of facing tier 3 equiped people in BGs, when we lived on a newer realm, he responded by just mind controlling people off the bridge of Thunder Bluff, until he got the angst to the BG situation out of his system. I think the one druid was thrown off the bridge/cliff about 14 times, and a warrior about 12.

I do have to disagree a bit with complaints about hunters though. There's one area they're kinda bad at, and that's taking hits in melee. I have a lvl 70 night elf hunter, and a lvl 68 orc hunter. Yes, people who get wrapped up with the pet, or try to run away from us are nice to deal with. The "nasty ones" are those who don't cooperate with that, and try to force us in melee combat. Hunters can take hits better then rogues (I have a lvl 55 rogue now), but when I'm facing another player, the player that's "in my face" that I can't shake and ahve to melee... :eek: There's times I know it's done, so tbh, prefer being in a raid group, rather then the lone wolf so there might be someone to grab them, force them out of melee range from me :D Life for a hunter, unless one's a melee spec (and I'm not), consists of trying to avoid melee at all costs :D

As to the grinding, that can be minimized. After I got my Winterspring frostsaber mount on my main, I didn't want to go right back to grinding again. Leveling my rogue, I did quests, starting in the n00b zones of more then 1 race. The result is that at lvl 55, he's now 999/1,000 exalted with Darnasus, and about 18,500 or so revered with SW. This was done without any repeatable runecloth donations or morrowgrain with darn, and only a couple with SW and some other factions. It's because I hit so many quests, from so many races along the way, I probably did almost all of them :D

And yes, on the rogue, it is necessary to not just jump in the middle of things; but then that's kinda also the point of the class. It's like all offence (the high dps), with little armor/health compared to some. There are some things I can do on the rogue though, that I can't do on other classes. Like one elite quest, I just stealthed in, saped the elite 2 levels higher then me, looted the quest item off ground, and stealthed my way out. Same went for having stealthed my way from Shattrath, where I set the hearth after paying a mage for a portal, all the way to hellfire peninsula, getting the connecting fp in Zangermarsh, and the other 2 in Hellfire Peninsula. Luckily Mr. Fel Reaver didn't get close and personal (as I'm not sure stealth would have worked with it). I only had to vanish once, going past the ravagers in thorn hill. Without a class that could not have stealthed, I don't think I would have made it. Incidently, I now have something like 320 first aid (not getting the manual from AH, but from NPC), and about 310 LW, with the outland recipees, and 360 skinning, all in preperation for when he goes through the dark portal for real.

Oh, and as I have about 269 lockpicking at lvl 55 (had been leveling it off the gate to searing gorge since in the 40s), I can pretty much avoid having to get the keys too :rofl The key to scholo, is one key I definitely will not have to pay for, on yet another char :D

Anyhow, I'll provide the char link

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aman'thul&n=Picolo

as those reps for instance, only go to show just how whacky things can be now, if one heavy quests, without doing cloth donation. The horde don't have it the same way though, as reps are closer to what they were pre-BC :D

Monolyth
08-14-07, 02:20 PM
If there are two MMO's on the way that can take down WoW they're Warhammer Online & Age of Conan.

nVidi0t
08-14-07, 02:50 PM
Guild's new video of a full SSC clear: http://files.filefront.com/HHvsSSCavi/;8198043;;/fileinfo.html

It's quite large so here's a low quality mirror

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Silh/video/1477717/Held-Hostile-vs-Serpentshrine-cavern

Magtheridon:

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Silh/video/1349953/Held-Hostile-vs-Magtheridon

Gruul's Lair (great if you love the 300 soundtrack!):

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Silh/video/1262906/Held-Hostile-vs-Gruul
Tell me what you guys think!

nVJoe
08-14-07, 02:54 PM
If there are two MMO's on the way that can take down WoW they're Warhammer Online & Age of Conan.
Why do people view this as "taking down" WOW? Who cares? Just play the game you like.

nVidi0t
08-14-07, 03:03 PM
Nothing will 'take down' WoW. It is still only waiting for a real competitor. Good luck putting a dent into WoW's incredible 9 million subscribers.

lIqUID
08-14-07, 05:17 PM
The one problem I do have with warhammer is the player movement. It looks way too stiff. For some reason it bugs me but if the game play is up to par, who cares.

well you have to consider its still in beta state, and I'm sure they will smooth stuff like that out. I've read they have had 200+ players in one big fight with zero lag, and they are shooting for way more :D

I will miss my rogue more than anything, so fun to play! I wont miss my 60 AND 70 pallies though, healing is meh but someone had to do it.

nVJoe
08-14-07, 07:19 PM
well you have to consider its still in beta state, and I'm sure they will smooth stuff like that out. I've read they have had 200+ players in one big fight with zero lag, and they are shooting for way more :D

I will miss my rogue more than anything, so fun to play! I wont miss my 60 AND 70 pallies though, healing is meh but someone had to do it.
Have you played Warhammer or has any one played it yet?

nVidi0t
08-14-07, 07:23 PM
I signed up for the beta recently.

lIqUID
08-14-07, 08:42 PM
Have you played Warhammer or has any one played it yet?

pshh I wish. I would trade my whole damn WOW account in a heartbeat for one.