KDE 4.0

[DiscipleDOC]

Does anyone have a good source list for KDE 4.0 beta?

[spaceigg]

is kde still looking windowish?

[carlos]

is kde still looking windowish?

Now more than ever...

[grey_1]

is kde still looking windowish?
Agreeing with carlos, it looks (and acts) almost like a re-skinned win desktop.

I don't have a source DD, I do really think you would be impressed after an 'apt-get install gnome' or 'install XFCE'.

Let it load everything, then winnow out what you don't need. Bet you a cup of coffee it takes you away from KDE.

[DiscipleDOC]

Agreeing with carlos, it looks (and acts) almost like a re-skinned win desktop.

I don't have a source DD, I do really think you would be impressed after an 'apt-get install gnome' or 'install XFCE'.

Let it load everything, then winnow out what you don't need. Bet you a cup of coffee it takes you away from KDE.
I used gnome when I first started and was not impressed. I like KDE...and I guess I will stay with 3.5.7 until there's a stable 4.0 out there.

[grey_1]

I used gnome when I first started and was not impressed. I like KDE...and I guess I will stay with 3.5.7 until there's a stable 4.0 out there.
Have you been to their site yet?
http://www.kde.org/

It's loaded with mirrors, tutorials and such.

[spaceigg]

Agreeing with carlos, it looks (and acts) almost like a re-skinned win desktop.

I don't have a source DD, I do really think you would be impressed after an 'apt-get install gnome' or 'install XFCE'.

Let it load everything, then winnow out what you don't need. Bet you a cup of coffee it takes you away from KDE.
yes I prefer gnome for a real linux experience... kde seems to be always be full of bugs imho.

[grey_1]

yes I prefer gnome for a real linux experience... kde seems to be always be full of bugs imho.
That's just it, I have yet to run a version without some kind of crash within the first 2 sessions, literally. Gnomes always been stable for me.

[six_storm]

KDE has always been a problem for me as well. I tried Kubuntu 7.04 again the other day and it took a while for a few hardware pieces to start working correctly. I've never had that problem with any version of Ubuntu (Gnome).

The newest version of Ubuntu comes out in another 2-3 months, same with Kubuntu and Xubuntu so keep an eye out!

[grey_1]

KDE has always been a problem for me as well. I tried Kubuntu 7.04 again the other day and it took a while for a few hardware pieces to start working correctly. I've never had that problem with any version of Ubuntu (Gnome).

The newest version of Ubuntu comes out in another 2-3 months, same with Kubuntu and Xubuntu so keep an eye out!
I gave up on it six_storm. This Debian install I have now is the longest a linux has stayed on my hdd without re-installing for a long time.

All the pluses, none of the glitches.

*knocks on wood*

[lightman]

I used gnome when I first started and was not impressed.

I don't know how much time has passed since then, but if I were you I would give it a try again. :)

After all, on Ubuntu it's just a matter of "apt-get install gnome" ;)

And you can always switch back to KDE in 2 seconds should you not like Gnome :)

I like KDE...and I guess I will stay with 3.5.7 until there's a stable 4.0 out there.

If you want stability, stay away from the KDE betas.

[grey_1]

I don't know how much time has passed since then, but if I were you I would give it a try again. :)

After all, on Ubuntu it's just a matter of "apt-get install gnome" ;)

And you can always switch back to KDE in 2 seconds should you not like Gnome :)



If you want stability, stay away from the KDE betas.
I wonder myself if Doc tried configuring it to taste or just went by first impressions. Out of the box Gnome is pretty bland looking. :)
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2284/screenshotsg2.th.png (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotsg2.png)

[six_storm]

I gave up on it six_storm. This Debian install I have now is the longest a linux has stayed on my hdd without re-installing for a long time.

All the pluses, none of the glitches.

*knocks on wood*

Hmm . . . I'll have to give Debian a try. Since my good PC is under construction, my old rig isn't playing very nice with Ubuntu 7.04. Well, at least the NVIDIA drivers and Compiz-Fusion lol. Maybe I'll give it a shot sometime.

[grey_1]

Hmm . . . I'll have to give Debian a try. Since my good PC is under construction, my old rig isn't playing very nice with Ubuntu 7.04. Well, at least the NVIDIA drivers and Compiz-Fusion lol. Maybe I'll give it a shot sometime.
I remember trying to configure debian around 4-5 years ago and getting disgusted. It's come quite a long way. I actually found it easier to install than any of the *buntus due to lack of bugs.

[six_storm]

I remember trying to configure debian around 4-5 years ago and getting disgusted. It's come quite a long way. I actually found it easier to install than any of the *buntus due to lack of bugs.

Holy cow . . . looking at Debian's download page, there are like 20+ things to d/l before you can burn a CD to install it!!! Even with the minimal installation CD, there are over 15 items to d/l. WTF?

[grey_1]

Holy cow . . . looking at Debian's download page, there are like 20+ things to d/l before you can burn a CD to install it!!! Even with the minimal installation CD, there are over 15 items to d/l. WTF?
I think you got the wrong page maybe? :)
http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
Choose your platform and look for the "netinst.iso". I'm using the i386 atm and loving it. The .iso is only 163 mb, and the minimal install will connect to a server of your choosing afterwards and download the other packages you want.

Really sweet setup.

[six_storm]

I think you got the wrong page maybe? :)
http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
Choose your platform and look for the "netinst.iso". I'm using the i386 atm and loving it. The .iso is only 163 mb, and the minimal install will connect to a server of your choosing afterwards and download the other packages you want.

Really sweet setup.

I didn't get the wrong page . . I just didn't know which one I needed to d/l or if I had to d/l all of them and throw them on a CD. Downloading now, I'll give it a try on my test rig.

Also, how are installing NVIDIA drivers on Debian versus Ubuntu? Ubuntu's drivers didn't play nice with my 6200 . . .

[grey_1]

I can't speak for the 6200, but very easy on the 8800. You'll need almost exactly the same packages covered in the stickie (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490), but it was quick and painless for me.
Debian GNU/Linux or [K]Ubuntu with Xorg 7.x

If you wish to install the NVIDIA Linux graphics driver on a Debian GNU/Linux or Ubuntu system that ships with Xorg 7.x, please ensure that your system meets the following requirements:

* development tools like make and gcc are installed
* the linux-headers package matching the installed Linux kernel is installed
* the pkg-config and xserver-xorg-dev packages are installed
* the nvidia-glx package has been uninstalled with the --purge option and the files /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx and /etc/init.d/nvidia-kernel do not exist

If you use Ubuntu, please also ensure that the linux-restricted-modules or linux-restricted-modules-common packages have been uninstalled. Alternatively, you can edit the /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules or /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common configuration file and disable the NVIDIA linux-restricted kernel modules (nvidia, nvidia_legacy) via:

DISABLED_MODULES="nv nvidia_new"

Additionally, delete the following file if it exists:

/lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_installed

Please note: unfortunately, it has become difficult to keep track of the pre-/post-installation steps required for [K]Ubuntu, and the above instructions may be incomplete. If in doubt, it is recommended that you use your distributor's NVIDIA Linux graphics driver packages, exclusively.

[six_storm]

I can't speak for the 6200, but very easy on the 8800. You'll need almost exactly the same packages covered in the stickie (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490), but it was quick and painless for me.

Cool stuff. I'm kinda used to Ubuntu doing everything for me so it'll be a nice adventure getting things to work on Debian. I just want Compiz-Fusion to run smoothly as it has done before (Ubuntu 6.10).

I'm installing Debian right now so I'll let you know how it goes.

[grey_1]

Cool stuff. I'm kinda used to Ubuntu doing everything for me so it'll be a nice adventure getting things to work on Debian. I just want Compiz-Fusion to run smoothly as it has done before (Ubuntu 6.10).

I'm installing Debian right now so I'll let you know how it goes.
GL man!

[six_storm]

Ok, installing NVIDIA drivers is a PITA. Anyone wanna tell me how to stop X so I can get this installation complete?

[grey_1]

ctrl+alt+F1
log in as root
"/etc/init.d/gdm stop"

[six_storm]

ctrl+alt+F1
log in as root
"/etc/init.d/gdm stop"

Ok I did it right the first time. Now my problem is that it tells me I have no precompiled kernel interface . . . anybody wanna elaborate? Thanks for the help grey!

[grey_1]

The driver should offer to search the site, then build it's own. Just so long as your not missing any packages, which will fail the install, you should be ok.

[six_storm]

The driver should offer to search the site, then build it's own. Just so long as your not missing any packages, which will fail the install, you should be ok.

Finally, the drivers are installed! I searched for libc in Synaptic, installed the libc-dev package and it finally built for me. Now time to try and install Compiz-Fusion . . .

http://my.photodump.com/six_storm/debianss.jpg