NVIDIA's NV30 - A perspective on rumors

[druga runda]

From Lost Circuits

http://www.lostcircuits.com/video/nvidia_nv30/


Bottom line is that we can almost guarantee that there will be NV30 on the shelves in December but those may not be representative for the mass production that, if everything goes well, can be expected in February.



Ah well... another take on the situation

[StealthHawk]

i think that has been the basic take around here and on the net. limited quantities(but perhaps enough to satiate the low demand of a high end card) before the end of '02, with volume picking up in '03 and probably the introduction of a ti4200-esque version of NV30

[Philibob]

What do they mean be mass-production? millions of people aren't going to run out to buy a £300-400 card as soon as it hits the shelves.

[Fotis]

And we have to concider an other thing too.Saying a card will be available in stores in august for example ii means Usa.Europe and the rest of the world get it about a month later.
(radeon 9700 for example)
So if nv30 hits retail in december it's probably 2003 for europe!!!:(

[robert60446]

…And the day will come, when NV30 will rise from ashes, and the dark shade will cover Ati user faces…then sudden silence around the world, will be killed by scream from their throats. Scream of pain and powerlessness…Just be patient…

[druga runda]

Originally posted by Fotis
And we have to concider an other thing too.Saying a card will be available in stores in august for example ii means Usa.Europe and the rest of the world get it about a month later.
(radeon 9700 for example)
So if nv30 hits retail in december it's probably 2003 for europe!!!:(

Yes with Elsa and Visiontek out... who is the main European distributor now? Leadtek? Asus?

I got my MSI card, but they were rather rare at the time I got mine.

[Fotis]

Originally posted by druga runda


Yes with Elsa and Visiontek out... who is the main European distributor now? Leadtek? Asus?

I got my MSI card, but they were rather rare at the time I got mine.
Got a link for you.Some good news for europeans who want to buy a Radeon 9700.
www.theinquirer.net/?article=5067

[Bigus Dickus]

I think an important inference from that editorial is that if NVIDIA decides to put "whatever" it has in boxes and on shelves for Christmas, they will likely have bugs in hardware. Functions not working properly or at all, speed reduced because of driver work-arounds for faulty logic elements, etc. (In other words, picture the first GF3 boards and then imagine the situation being many times worse).

Personally, I think there will be reviews by December, but I doubt the card will be available for purchase.

[druga runda]

Originally posted by Fotis

Got a link for you.Some good news for europeans who want to buy a Radeon 9700.
www.theinquirer.net/?article=5067

Yes I have heard of connec3D R9700 :eek: the same as saphire.. never heard of, but ATI managed to find those guys somehow.

it is here:http://www.blisware.com/all_products_atigraphics.htm

at £312 in VAT and delivery.

I would hope for 40£ less in a couple of weeks.

Parhelia can be found for £273 in VAT, and it is a $400 recommended as well.

[robert60446]

Originally posted by Bigus Dickus
I think an important inference from that editorial is that if NVIDIA decides to put "whatever" it has in boxes and on shelves for Christmas, they will likely have bugs in hardware. Functions not working properly or at all, speed reduced because of driver work-arounds for faulty logic elements, etc. (In other words, picture the first GF3 boards and then imagine the situation being many times worse).

Personally, I think there will be reviews by December, but I doubt the card will be available for purchase.

Bigus Dickus, you are destroying my faith in Nvidia…. But wait… nooooooo! I know who you are! You are a traitor! How much Ati is paying you for your negative NV30 propaganda?

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by robert60446


Bigus Dickus, you are destroying my faith in Nvidia…. But wait… nooooooo! I know who you are! You are a traitor! How much Ati is paying you for your negative NV30 propaganda?

LOL, ATI paying someone for propaganda... I'm sure that's where Anand and Tom make their money from. :D

I'm just staiting my personal opinion, based on what little evidence and facts we have. Take it however you wish.

[SnakeEyes]

Hmm.. Seems more based on the personal opinion side than on facts. There were some bugs in the original GF3 hardware, but nothing so serious as you make it sound. Just as I'm willing to bet there are some in the 9700 hardware right now (of course, we don't know about em yet, since nobody's had long-term experience with released hardware yet). It's a fact of life with computer hardware and software.

In that respect, I doubt nV3x will be any worse than 9700. I'm more concerned with driver issues, since nV's faced with a total rewrite for the totally (supposedly) new architecture. ATI seems to have done very well with the 9700 in this regard (from the limited facts we have based on reviews and previews), especially given their driver history. It's gonna take seeing the reviews and previews (and then user experiences) to say whether or not nV does so well or not.. All the speculation in the world can't say what nV30's really going to be like.

Guess we'll have to wait and see. (Who knows, maybe those of you that jump on the 9700 now will be able to say "NYAH NYAH. Told ya so.", and then again..) :D

[jbirney]

Guess we'll have to wait and see. (Who knows, maybe those of you that jump on the 9700 now will be able to say "NYAH NYAH. Told ya so.", and then again..)


Naw those that make the jump will be too busy enjoying x4 AA, x16AF at high res to have enough time to post in the forums :)

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Hmm.. Seems more based on the personal opinion side than on facts. There were some bugs in the original GF3 hardware, but nothing so serious as you make it sound. Perhaps you missed the part where I said to imagine problems many times worse than the GF3? I never made the GF3 bugs sounds serious, but they were there none-the-less. If NVIDIA rushes Alpha hardware to shelves for Christmas (which they will have to do to keep their "holiday" target), it is likely that there will be "serious" hardware errors.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by jbirney



Naw those that make the jump will be too busy enjoying x4 AA, x16AF at high res to have enough time to post in the forums :)

no, they will be too busy enjoying x6 AA, x16AF :D

[SurfMonkey]

Originally posted by StealthHawk


no, they will be too busy enjoying x6 AA, x16AF :D

Is that all...? Pfff, that's just so yesterday already :D

Bring on the 16xSSAA and 64xAF.

[netape]

Originally posted by StealthHawk


no, they will be too busy enjoying x6 AA, x16AF :D

And then they notice that Morrowind lags too much and start cursing the game to hell :D

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by netape


And then they notice that Morrowind lags too much and start cursing the game to hell :D

isn't Morrowind CPU dependant?

[netape]

Originally posted by StealthHawk


isn't Morrowind CPU dependant?

Copy-pasted from Rage3d,
"Here's another shot of morrowind with 4x FSAA and 8x aniso, this time it shows a framerate counter (30fps)

picture (http://home.san.rr.com/armpit/images/Morrowind3.jpg) "

It's barely playable now, imagine if he used a 16x aniso instead of 8x? :D And I think he has a pretty good processor too..

[StealthHawk]

from what i've heard the average framerate in Morrowind is around there without any extra eye candy on either :confused:

also changing resolutions has about 0 impact on framerate. or was that a different game?

[legion88]

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
...All the speculation in the world can't say what nV30's really going to be like.

Guess we'll have to wait and see. (Who knows, maybe those of you that jump on the 9700 now will be able to say "NYAH NYAH. Told ya so.", and then again..) :D

Honest speculation or FUD? I bet a few die-hard Patriot fans knew all along that they would win the Superbowl last January. Catch my meaning.

Right now people are anticipating bad things to happen based on what history? NV1? Based on what rumors (referred to as "facts" by some)?

For about a month now, NVIDIA is "late". If you have a 3:00PM meeting and you are not here by 1:30PM, does it make sense to accuse you of being late to the meeting when it is not even 3:00 yet?

Here's the schedule of NVIDIA's announcement for past products:
February 6, 2002: GF4 announced. Available April.
October 2, 2001: GF3 Titanium announced. (GF3 refreshes)
February 27, 2001: GF3 announced. Available April.
August 14, 2000: GF2 Ultra (GF2 refresh).
April 26, 2000: GF2. Available May.
October 11, 1999: GeForce256 announced. Available October.
March 12, 1999: TNT2 Announced (TNT refresh). Available April.
July 20, 1998: TNT previewed. (Couldn't find official announce date but usually same day as first previews go up).
February 24, 1998: Riva 128ZX announced (Riva 128 referesh) .
September 14, 1997: Riva 128 (Diamond Viper 330) reviewed. Actual official announce date not found.

With the available information, the number of months between announcements actually varies from three months to eight months.

The TNT2 was "late" but I don't remember people crying over that. NVIDIA, however, was accused of lying when they said that 150Mhz and 175MHz version of the TNT2 chip would be available. People had all these nice sounding theories on how NVIDIA would not be able to guarantee that the chip would run stable at those speeds. Thus, they concluded that no board maker would sell boards with chips running at those speeds. Funny how people believe in these FUDs so seriously. The truth was far different from their FUD-induced perceptions.

[Bigus Dickus]

Yes, in keeping with NVIDIA's product history, we should have expected the NV25 "refresh" (NV28) this fall and the next core (NV30) early next year.

Looks like that's exactly what we'll get. Of course, that isn't what people have been saying all year... they were expecting (based on NVIDIA PR) the NV28 generation to be skipped and the NV30 to arrive this fall in its place. Even NVIDIA suggested that this fall was the target launch date.

Are they late? Depends on what date you take as their target, but I'm inclined to agree with those who believe NVIDIA really did want to launch the part this year. Oh well...

[TheOneKEA]

Anyone know what nVidia will refresh the NV25 with? Will they give it more memory (256MB of 2.8ns memory == w00t :) ), will they sell the superyield GPUs (anybody want some 400MHz core? :) :) ) or will they just add more fancy external features like faster RAMDACs, AGP 8.0 support, better TV-in/TV-out, and better HSFs?

I'm not an authroity on GPUs, but a 400MHz core would be sweet :D

[Bigus Dickus]

I think the fancy features are a given, but I'm not sure about core or memory speeds (or amount). Perhaps they'll bump the clocks up a bit.

Despite what some people might claim (or wish), it won't have any significant archetictural improvements (no further than AGP 8X really).

[netviper13]

I suppose they could have done a quick re-design of the core and made it bigger than the typical GF4 core, but I really doubt it.

I think that it will most likely just be AGP 8x with higher speeds and maybe a tweak or two though.