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Phillychuck
09-02-07, 06:11 AM
Just built a new system on Monday (sig should have info) and ran Bioshock and really am not impressed (25-30ish) FPS on high settings, slightly better on medium, really only playable on low settings. I'm using the beta driver the installer links you to.

Today is last day to get a $25 rebate and I'm debating with myself to cough up the money for the better card (being a 8800 GTS with 320MB). No way can I afford a GTX and my motherboard can't do SLI so I'm stuck with a single card. Honestly, not sure how much high end gaming I'm gonna do to warrant a $300 card :-(.


Everyone reviewing this game seems to have 1 or 2 8800 GTX's.. so its hard to tell if its my box running poorly or what.

edit, I'm not seeing my .sig so here it is:

C2D 6750 | EVGA 650i Ultra | 2GB OCZ RAM | EVGA 8600 256 GT | SATA RAID0 2x120GB old Maxtors (fingers crossed) | OCZ 600W PS

CaptNKILL
09-02-07, 07:55 AM
Wow thats really surprising. I didn't know it killed mid range cards so bad.

Thats terrible.

If you get a GTS 320Mb you shouldn't have any frame rate problems what so ever.

I play at 1600x1200 with everything maxed (vsync and triple buffering) on my system and my frame rates are excellent. Usually hovers between 40 and 80fps.

Phillychuck
09-02-07, 08:10 AM
I'm just going to keep the 8600 GT, I really don't have the extra 170 to spend right now. I'll just play Bioshock thru with lower settings and be done with it. In retro I upgraded my PC to play this game and spent about $600ish, I should have just bought a 360 to get my fix.

The 8600 will play some of my older "newer" games well like 2142 and HL2.

What do I expect from a $120 card I suppose :-)

CaptNKILL
09-02-07, 08:36 AM
I'm just going to keep the 8600 GT, I really don't have the extra 170 to spend right now. I'll just play Bioshock thru with lower settings and be done with it. In retro I upgraded my PC to play this game and spent about $600ish, I should have just bought a 360 to get my fix.

The 8600 will play some of my older "newer" games well like 2142 and HL2.

What do I expect from a $120 card I suppose :-)
Yeah I forgot that the price of the 8600s has come down considerably. They are a better buy now. An the 8600GT was around $200 when it was released. I've seen quite a few for around $100 now though.

The 8800GTS 320Mb has barely budged in price though. Its still a hell of a deal.

duffy_chucky
09-02-07, 07:26 PM
8600GT sucks enraged bears.

awefull perfs, small bandwith , it's definitly not a card to recommend. :thumbdwn:

ATOJAR
09-02-07, 08:24 PM
8600GT sucks enraged bears.

awefull perfs, small bandwith , it's definitly not a card to recommend. :thumbdwn:

QFT

..... im so glad i payed the extra for the 8800GTS 640MB :D ....... 8800GTS - FTW

Redeemed
09-02-07, 08:39 PM
QFT

..... im so glad i payed the extra for the 8800GTS 640MB :D ....... 8800GTS - FTW

QFT

Now if only SLi worked right in Vista...

Phillychuck
09-03-07, 05:08 AM
The reason the 8600 GT looked appealing to me was because I'm coming from a 5950 AGP (I had a 6800 AGP but it crapped out on me). I needed to upgrade my mobo/cpu/ram/video/ps all at once so when I looked at benchmarks of the 8600 GT it looked good enough, and the Bioshock minimum recommended DX10 card was an 8600, that made me think it would be OK till I could afford another upgrade.

avirox
09-03-07, 09:15 AM
I'd suggest getting an evga 8800GTS 320 and that way you can just use the step-up program when/if you get more cash in the future. the 320mb version runs bioshock just as well as the 640 so you'll still get a great gaming experience with it.

six_storm
09-03-07, 11:28 AM
What about a 8600GTS? How well does that perform compared to a 8600GT and 8800GTS? The 8800GTS's are still pretty expensive.

SJA06
09-03-07, 02:24 PM
What about a 8600GTS? How well does that perform compared to a 8600GT and 8800GTS? The 8800GTS's are still pretty expensive.

It's better than the GT but a country mile behind the 8800GTS - they're both very poor cards for the money. I'm on the verge of getting a 8800GTS 320mb myself and would not think about an 8600 for a second.

Quick420
09-03-07, 02:31 PM
8600GT sucks enraged bears.

awefull perfs, small bandwith , it's definitly not a card to recommend. :thumbdwn:

It's too bad people get lured in by the newer series cards without doing their homework,8600gt is one of the bottom feeder 8 series cards.Other than grabbing an older model which doesnt support dx10,such as a 7900gt/gtx,or a 7950gt your next best option would be a 8800gts 320mb.I dont discuss ATI much anymore.

damicatz
09-03-07, 04:25 PM
I love it when people claim to know how good or bad a card will preform when they don't own it.

The 8600GT is more than capable of running DX10 games at moderate resolutions (1280x1024 and lower). In fact, under Bioshock, it actually gets a higher FPS in DX10 mode than DX9.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_mainstream_gpu_performance/page6.asp

Now the alt-tab/texture eviction bug is another story. And that's probably what's been throwing the benchmarks off.

Phillychuck
09-03-07, 07:11 PM
Bioshock has graphics "lag" with 30 fps (a little less) on my system using Med or High settings at 1280x1014 which makes the game not playable with my personal standards. Sure, it runs .. and the number says 30 but the moving and turning is very anoying. Drop it to low settings (number jumps to around 50) and the lag goes away.

As for being lured in, I believe the benchmarks I researched just involved older titles. This card does run those titles great from what I've seen.

Nvidia might have snowed me, last x6xx model part I remember was the 6600 and recall it was a pretty decent price/performer. I assumed the 8600 would be the same. The the x1xx and x2xx model names used to be bottom feeders as mentioned above.

edit: the 8600 GTS was over $200 at Microcenter at the time I bought the GT.

CaptNKILL
09-03-07, 08:59 PM
I love it when people claim to know how good or bad a card will preform when they don't own it.

The 8600GT is more than capable of running DX10 games at moderate resolutions (1280x1024 and lower). In fact, under Bioshock, it actually gets a higher FPS in DX10 mode than DX9.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_mainstream_gpu_performance/page6.asp

Now the alt-tab/texture eviction bug is another story. And that's probably what's been throwing the benchmarks off.
Erm... I don't know if I'd say "more than capable".

30fps average isn't good at all. That doesn't mean its running at 30fps constant, that means it's probably running in the teens to low 20s when there is something going on, and in the 40s when there isn't. IMO, thats unplayable.

Honestly, I thought it'd fair much better than this in newer games.

six_storm
09-03-07, 09:31 PM
I believe that the 8600GTS would be a nice performer for a budget build. I'm planning on keeping on to my 7600GT until the 9 series comes out, then I'll upgrade to a 9600GT or 9600GTS, depending on the price of course.

SLippe
09-04-07, 12:38 AM
Hey, Phillychuck, how long have you had your current 8600 card from eVGA? Have you checked to see if you are eligible for a Step-Up? If so, maybe a 8800GTS won't cost you very much.

Phillychuck
09-04-07, 12:59 AM
I can still return it to the store I purchased it from, its 1 week old. My concern is with cash, I just can't spare it right now (I spent $688 before rebates last week upgrading).

EVGA's step up program is not really an option becuase they expect you to sit there for 15+ days with no video card while its returned to them and they ship the new product out. I don't have any spare PCI-E's.

Unless I read it wrong, thats the way they handle it.

I'm just going to use it as is, the reason I made this post was so I could get the rebate on the 8800 (sept 2 was deadline), that is now past.

I'll get my $120 bucks out of this card, I'm sure it'll get used in another system I build down the road. All my systems are aging, I just don't have the resources to upgrade everything.

john19055
09-04-07, 02:32 AM
The Radeon X1950XT with 512mb of ram can be found as cheap as $193 and it will play B.S. better then the lower end DX10 cards of either side .Ocoarse the better way to go would be a 8800GTS 320mb.But the X1950XT with 512mb vram will play it very nice and with decent framrate.

XDanger
09-04-07, 03:17 PM
get the cheapest 320 you can find ,or wait 2 months or so for a price drop and new cards.

six_storm
09-04-07, 04:02 PM
get the cheapest 320 you can find ,or wait 2 months or so for a price drop and new cards.

I'm waiting for the 8800GTS to drop in price . . . not to mention I gotta wait until Christmas time. :(