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radekhulan
09-08-07, 06:16 PM
I am thinking about doing an upgrade from my current HP LP2465 24" LCD to HP LP3065 30".

There are some cons though. I am not sure if single 8800GTX can handle current games (BioShock, TDU, etc.) reasonably well at 2560x1600 (I am not going for SLI and NVIDIA chipset). I am also afraid that 30" will be too big, but with small pixels, thus I will have to sit far away from LCD and text on most websites will be hard to read in a browser. Yet another con is that HP LP3065 requires dual link DVI, which some consoles (PS3?) do not feature, thus they are unconnectable?

I am not going to purchase it for games and/or video primarily, but for work, most of the time I have 6-10 apps opened (3-4 most important ones), and I hope they could be tiled at 2560x1600 screen without need for switch them. Would be nice to know though, if games supporting 1920x1200 support usually also 2560x1600?

The price for HP LP3065 is about $1500 (including VAT of 19%), which is not a pocket money, so I would love to hear some opinions before purchasing it. Also, I hate idea of dual monitors, so getting another LP2465 is not an option.

Mr Bigman
09-08-07, 06:49 PM
With your wealth im sure you can get another one and duallink them to a 30".

Q
09-08-07, 06:55 PM
If we could get an IMtim post in here, we'd have the axis of evil.


Why so against dual monitors?

PaiN
09-09-07, 05:23 AM
Have you considered the 28" LCDs? I'm most impressed with my Hanns-G.
You'll gain the desk-top space you need for work, keep the 1920x1200 res for games and you won't have to deal with dual-link or upgrading to SLI. yea, need I mention the money you'll save ;)
I sit fairly close, so after the initial size shock I settled right in...also with a 28" you won't loose any screen to your peripheral vision, so that means less head turning and more relaxed computing
newegg lins:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010190020+1309829303+1301919996&Configurator=&Subcategory=20&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=

grey_1
09-09-07, 06:52 AM
Have you considered the 28" LCDs? I'm most impressed with my Hanns-G.
You'll gain the desk-top space you need for work, keep the 1920x1200 res for games and you won't have to deal with dual-link or upgrading to SLI. yea, need I mention the money you'll save ;)
I sit fairly close, so after the initial size shock I settled right in...also with a 28" you won't loose any screen to your peripheral vision, so that means less head turning and more relaxed computing
newegg lins:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010190020+1309829303+1301919996&Configurator=&Subcategory=20&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
That's some serious bang for the buck, wish they were around when I got my 2405.

radekhulan
09-09-07, 06:56 AM
Have you considered the 28" LCDs? I'm most impressed with my Hanns-G.

28" are 1920 x 1200, same as my current 24". That does not make a sense (I would consider it when having 19-20", but not with 24" on my table).

PaiN
09-09-07, 08:44 AM
28" are 1920 x 1200, same as my current 24". That does not make a sense (I would consider it when having 19-20", but not with 24" on my table).
....So, Mr. Sensible. You said "I am not going to purchase it for games and/or video primarily, but for work" ...then by all means get a 30" for maximum space.
or if what you said in the same statement "There are some cons though. I am not sure if single 8800GTX can handle current games (BioShock, TDU, etc.) reasonably well at 2560x1600" holds ture. No a single GTX will not drive this res well in current and future games, so don't get a 30" .......Make sense??
Hey, once you figure out what you are doing or what you want....Then you might be able to ask a sensible question, that a sensible person can answer.
But since you've decided to be rude and abrasive, why don't you stick that 24" you own up your ass for the best view

mullet
09-09-07, 11:13 AM
....So, Mr. Sensible. You said "I am not going to purchase it for games and/or video primarily, but for work" ...then by all means get a 30" for maximum space.
or if what you said in the same statement "There are some cons though. I am not sure if single 8800GTX can handle current games (BioShock, TDU, etc.) reasonably well at 2560x1600" holds ture. No a single GTX will not drive this res well in current and future games, so don't get a 30" .......Make sense??
Hey, once you figure out what you are doing or what you want....Then you might be able to ask a sensible question, that a sensible person can answer.
But since you've decided to be rude and abrasive, why don't you stick that 24" you own up your ass for the best view

:lol2::rofl owned:

retsam
09-09-07, 11:27 AM
....So, Mr. Sensible. You said "I am not going to purchase it for games and/or video primarily, but for work" ...then by all means get a 30" for maximum space.
or if what you said in the same statement "There are some cons though. I am not sure if single 8800GTX can handle current games (BioShock, TDU, etc.) reasonably well at 2560x1600" holds ture. No a single GTX will not drive this res well in current and future games, so don't get a 30" .......Make sense??
Hey, once you figure out what you are doing or what you want....Then you might be able to ask a sensible question, that a sensible person can answer.
But since you've decided to be rude and abrasive, why don't you stick that 24" you own up your ass for the best view
ahhahahahah rolf!!!!....lol!!!!!!

nightmare beta
09-09-07, 11:30 AM
What you could do, is you could always use display adaptor scaling or centering to use 1920x1200, and it would still look better than what you have b/c it has a higher color gamut, so you're still getting a better monitor than before.

KoRnfR3ak
09-09-07, 11:56 AM
Have you considered the 28" LCDs? I'm most impressed with my Hanns-G.
You'll gain the desk-top space you need for work, keep the 1920x1200 res for games (...)PaiN,
I agree that he won't have to deal with dual-link or upgrade to SLI, and he will save money.

But, as radekhulan said
I am not going to purchase it for games and/or video primarily, but for work, most of the time I have 6-10 apps opened (3-4 most important ones), and I hope they could be tiled at 2560x1600 screen without need for switch them.That means that upgrading from a 24" 1920x1200 to a 28" 1920x1200 won't give him more desk-top space needed for work.
In order to get the same viewing effect of a 28", he might as well sit closer to his 24", since they have the same resolution.

ViN86
09-09-07, 11:57 AM
well, if you want more desktop space and you still want to be able to game at a decent framerate, then dual monitors IS the best option.


:retard:

radekhulan
09-09-07, 12:08 PM
Hey, once you figure out what you are doing or what you want....Then you might be able to ask a sensible question, that a sensible person can answer.

Are you a teenager? That could explain your silly behaviour.. If you are not able to help, better shut up.

English is not my 1st language (that would be Czech), not even 2nd or 3rd (that would be German and Russian), but "I am not going to purchase it for games and/or video primarily" IMHO means that I will use it for work (primary purpose), but also (sometimes) to play games and watch video.

I do not expect single 8800GTX to drive BioShock at 2560x1600 at full details (as it does at 1920x1200), but would love to know (from somebody who actually owns 30" LCD) with what details it will be playable (ie more than 30-40 FPS on average).

And I am not going to purchase 2x8800GTX, not because money would be a problem, but because I have very bad experience with nForce4-32 (SLI) on AMD X2 platform.

What I think would be doable for most demanding games is to play them at 1280x800, ie. scaled down 50%, on 30". How is that?

My current home setup is this, 30" might be simply too big to fit in (no problem to purchase new table though; but I like corner shaped table, as my right hand can rest on it, when holding a mouse): http://hulan.cz/temp/pracovna2.jpg

mullet
09-09-07, 12:27 PM
Are you a teenager? That could explain your silly behaviour.. If you are not able to help, better shut up.

English is not my 1st language (that would be Czech), not even 2nd or 3rd (that would be German and Russian), but "I am not going to purchase it for games and/or video primarily" IMHO means that I will use it for work (primary purpose), but also (sometimes) to play games and watch video.

I do not expect single 8800GTX to drive BioShock at 2560x1600 at full details (as it does at 1920x1200), but would love to know (from somebody who actually owns 30" LCD) with what details it will be playable (ie more than 30-40 FPS on average).

And I am not going to purchase 2x8800GTX, not because money would be a problem, but because I have very bad experience with nForce4-32 (SLI) on AMD X2 platform.

What I think would be doable for most demanding games is to play them at 1280x800, ie. scaled down 50%, on 30". How is that?

My current home setup is this, 30" might be simply too big to fit in (no problem to purchase new table though; but I like corner shaped table, as my right hand can rest on it, when holding a mouse): http://hulan.cz/temp/pracovna2.jpg


LMAO, dude you just don't get it PaiN is one of the nicest most helpful guys on the forums and yes you managed to even piss him off, as smart as you proclaim yourself to be I am sure by deduction you already know the answer to your own problem on what monitor/graphics card to go with. My gut reaction tells me that your simply trying to show once again how much money you have & that your social skill are lacking.

my uneducated 2 cents.

radekhulan
09-09-07, 12:36 PM
simply trying to show once again how much money you have

I do not think spending few thousands USD on a computer means you "have money", ie. there is absolutely nothing to show ;-) Billions of people today have computers...

If you have something valuable to add to 30" LCD, go on. Otherwise shut up as well.

KoRnfR3ak
09-09-07, 12:37 PM
My current home setup is this, 30" might be simply too big to fit in (no problem to purchase new table though; but I like corner shaped table, as my right hand can rest on it, when holding a mouse): http://hulan.cz/temp/pracovna2.jpgDon't know the exact dimensions of the HP LP3065 30", but I found this (http://peripherals.about.com/od/displaysmonitors/fr/dell3007wfp.htm) about the Dell 3007WFP 30" LCD.As large as the display is you would expect it to be very heavy.
And while it's no lightweight, it only tips the scales at 25.07 pounds.
With the stand extended to its maximum height the display is 22 inches (56 cm) tall, and when compressed the display and stand is 18.49 inches (46.96 cm) tall.
The width of the display is 27.26 inches (69.24 cm) wide with a depth of 7.87 inches (20 cm).

Redeemed
09-09-07, 01:00 PM
I do not think spending few thousands USD on a computer means you "have money", ie. there is absolutely nothing to show ;-) Billions of people today have computers...

If you have something valuable to add to 30" LCD, go on. Otherwise shut up as well.
Um... a few grand in USD for a computer is a ton of money- the average joe has maybe a $1300 computer at best.

Bman212121
09-09-07, 02:08 PM
Naturally their site doesn't seem to list the resolutions that the 30" is capable of, but there shouldn't be a reason why it can't do 1080p or 1920 x 1200. You should be able to hook the monitor up to 8800gtx and run the full res (2560 x 1600) on your desktop, and then just run it at 1920 x 1200 in games since it should scale. The PS3 should run at 1080p to that monitor the same as it would to your current one. (And it can do this over a single link cable because the bandwidth limitation hasen't been crossed.) There shouldn't be a need to drop the res all the way down to 1280 x 800 since that 1/4" of what the native res would be.

KoRnfR3ak
09-09-07, 02:12 PM
What I think would be doable for most demanding games is to play them at 1280x800, ie. scaled down 50%, on 30". How is that?1280x800 is not half (50%) the resolution of 2560x1600. It's a quarter (25%) (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4537&page=4).

One advantage of the 2560x1600 native resolution is the ability to view 4 WXGA (1280x800) windows concurrently. The above shot shows our favourite website, Macromedia abuse, Paintshop Pro, and the BBC's sports webpage. In fact, there's more pixel coverage on this single screen than, say, 2 1600x1200 panels run side by side.I know these 30" LCD monitors only have 2 native resolutions, 2560x1600 and 1280x800. I know they don't have an internal scaler.
But does that mean you can't set the Screen Resolution on Windows Display Properties (Nvidia Control Panel -> Display -> Change Resolution) to any other resolution, like 1920x1200, or 1680x1050, etc? Anyone ?

By the way, here (http://www.hardware.fr/medias/screenshots.php?id=IMG0019419) is a screenshot of a 2560x1600 desktop. :)

radekhulan
09-09-07, 03:07 PM
Naturally their site doesn't seem to list the resolutions that the 30" is capable of, but there shouldn't be a reason why it can't do 1080p or 1920 x 1200. You should be able to hook the monitor up to 8800gtx and run the full res (2560 x 1600) on your desktop, and then just run it at 1920 x 1200 in games since it should scale. The PS3 should run at 1080p to that monitor the same as it would to your current one. (And it can do this over a single link cable because the bandwidth limitation hasen't been crossed.) There shouldn't be a need to drop the res all the way down to 1280 x 800 since that 1/4" of what the native res would be.

Unfortunately, this is not true. There is no scaling in HP LP3065 monitor, it can display only 2560x1600 input or 50% the size (ie. 1280x800), at least according to the review I have found.

Scaling must be done via GPU, and it also means you cannot connect 1080p source :(

KoRnfR3ak
09-09-07, 03:46 PM
The PS3 should run at 1080p to that monitor the same as it would to your current one. (And it can do this over a single link cable because the bandwidth limitation hasen't been crossed.) There shouldn't be a need to drop the res all the way down to 1280 x 800 since that 1/4" of what the native res would be.The way I think it works is basically:
- PS3 doesn't have a scaler (it will not output 2560x1600 or 1280x800). 30" 2560x1600 also doesn't have a scaler (but it's native resolutions are 2560x1600 and 1280x800).
- PS3 outputs resolutions that are not either 2560x1600 or 1280x800, to the 30", the monitor refuses.
- PS3 runs out of options, and you'll get a blank screen.
It's just what I read. If it's not accurate, any PS3 owner with a 30" 2560x1600 may elaborate more on the matter.

Anyway, radekhulan, you already said: "I am not going to purchase it for games and/or video primarily, but for work".
So let's stay on topic. More work. Less games. :D
But you are aware of this (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1251521&postcount=19) and this (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1316455&postcount=25), right ?

radekhulan
09-09-07, 03:51 PM
But you are aware of this (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1251521&postcount=19) and this (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1316455&postcount=25), right ?

Thanks, but I have no interest in HDCP. I think HDCP will not take-off within next few years (not to mention there is no need to have HDCP for LCD used for work, or sometimes for PC games). DVD with some ffdshow upsizing, sharpening and noice reduction is all I need. But I would consider connecting XBox-360 and/or PS3 to the monitor (if it would be possible, which is not, due to scaling issue), that would be a definitive plus.

Anyway, I am going to have a look at this LCD tomorrow at a local shop.. Have a feeling I will purchase it right away :)

ViN86
09-09-07, 06:35 PM
Thanks, but I have no interest in HDCP. I think HDCP will not take-off within next few years (not to mention there is no need to have HDCP for LCD used for work, or sometimes for PC games). DVD with some ffdshow upsizing, sharpening and noice reduction is all I need. But I would consider connecting XBox-360 and/or PS3 to the monitor (if it would be possible, which is not, due to scaling issue), that would be a definitive plus.

Anyway, I am going to have a look at this LCD tomorrow at a local shop.. Have a feeling I will purchase it right away :)
HDCP = High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP)

it's not an issue of when it "takes off", you will need it for digital connections from your PS3 (not sure about games, but definitely Bluray discs. but as you said, if you stick to DVD, youll be fine)

hokeyplyr48
09-09-07, 07:03 PM
well whoever stated bioshock will not run on a single GTX at 2560 x 1600 is partially wrong. i have the 8800 ultra and it runs it above 40 all the time. same with airborne, 2142, etc. not sure how much better an ultra is vs a regular plain vanilla gtx but it is definitley working on my native res.
just FYI

daforce
09-09-07, 11:37 PM
Yep 30" dell and a single 8800gtx owner here.

All games I play run fine at native res.