R400 tidbit at VR-Zone

[GlowStick]

http://www.vr-zone.com/#2944



R400

0.13 micron process
Programmable Shader 3.0 (Pixel & Vertex)
PCI Express x16 (8GB/s bi-directional)
DirectX 9/10
Availability in End of 2003-Q1'04


The only 'new' info they really are givieng us is that it will use PCI-Express. The onlymainbords that support PCI-X are serverboards. : O

I get the feeling this info could be fake because of that, and the DirectX 10, witch is not be relased for about a year or so, maybe even too.

Fake or real? : O

[Uttar]

Seems more like a wishlist to me.
They don't even talk about the PPP...


Uttar

[The Baron]

Fake.

You honestly believe we're going to see PCI-Express soon? HAH

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Uttar
Seems more like a wishlist to me.
They don't even talk about the PPP...


Uttar

Whats the PPP?

[nutball]

Originally posted by The Baron
Fake.

You honestly believe we're going to see PCI-Express soon? HAH

You're assuming (I guess) that we'll see R400 soon?

[The Baron]

We'll see R400 in a year. So, it'll be an AGP8x part, at least at launch.

PCI-X will probably debut in 2004, so you eventually might see a PCI-X R400, but I doubt it.

PCI--the new ISA slot! Finally :p

[MuFu]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Whats the PPP?

A programmable tesselation engine which is part of the R4x0 architecture.

MuFu.

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by GlowStick
The onlymainbords that support PCI-X are serverboards.

Originally posted by The Baron
PCI-X will probably debut in 2004, so you eventually might see a PCI-X R400, but I doubt it.

Ummmm, PCI-X and PCI Express aren't the same thing.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Lezmaka
Ummmm, PCI-X and PCI Express aren't the same thing.

yeahhhhhhhhhhh?

[The Baron]

They're not the same thing, but I use them interchangeably. ;)

I'm way too lazy to type out PCI-Express. It sounds just so damn corporate.

Maybe PCIEx... heh.

[nutball]

Originally posted by The Baron
We'll see R400 in a year. So, it'll be an AGP8x part, at least at launch.

PCI-X will probably debut in 2004, so you eventually might see a PCI-X R400, but I doubt it.


Well "in a year" will be in 2004 (by my maths anyway). I assume the industry will want to push PCI-Express (or whatever AGP-Next-Gen will be called) quite hard. What's better than having the latest greatest ATI and NVIDIA cards available on a new slot which requires a motherboard upgrade? Sounds like good marketing to me!

[Steppy]

Originally posted by The Baron
Fake.

You honestly believe we're going to see PCI-Express soon? HAH Seeing as it can coexist with PCI slots for backwards compatability(think back a couple years ago when PCI and ISA slots both came on mobos), when it comes out it will become standard pretty quickly.

[Nemesis]

True, but I doubt it will co-exist with AGP slots, so anyone wanting none-integrated graphics will have to get a PCI-X / Express graphics card, to go with their shiny new mobo...

Or am I missing something?

[Paul]

If PCI cards work in PCI Express slots, then there isn't a problem. Motherboard manufacturers will just swap PCI for PCI-E, and keep the AGP slot for a little while longer. That way, early adopters can use PCI-E GPUs, and the hangers on can use their AGP card until they upgrade to a PCI-E card.

AGP won't disappear until all the major graphics cards have transferred - including the all important budget chips.


EDIT: Whoops, i misread what Steppy said. Looks like PCI cards won't work in PCI-E slots. hmm, that could prove more tricky then.

[The Baron]

PCI cards work in PCI-X slots. PCI-Express is completely incompatible.

[Steppy]

PCI and PCI express SLOTS can and will coexist on computers. It would probably be something like 1 AGP/3 PCI/3PCI-Express or something(varying from OEM to OEM). I'd be willing to bet that 95% of users have 3 or fewer PCI cards in their system, so a 3/3 split should serve quite well. I don't understand why some of you seem to be against PCI-Express as its MUCH better than AGP and PCI. Just the fact that each device has the full bandwidth all to itself and eliminates the 133 MB/s PCI as a bottleneck. It should have people excited in addition it also has TONS more bandwidth .

[T-Spoon]

I thought that R400 wasn't coming out, but R390 and R420 were... So how could they have R400 specs? Or am I mistaken? :confused:

[Paul]

The R400 as it was, doesn't exist anymore. But chances are the R420 will become the R400 publically.

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by Paul
The R400 as it was, doesn't exist anymore. But chances are the R420 will become the R400 publically.

420 eh? So they are smoking something over there at ATI!

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Lezmaka
420 eh? So they are smoking something over there at ATI!

I thought ATI was smoking something hallucinogenic though :p

[Lezmaka]

Could be laced with something... you never know

[AngelGraves13]

stick that in your pipe and smoke it!