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jcrox 01-23-08 10:12 AM

Favorite IDE for Java
 
I'm just starting the 3rd and final java class this semester, Enterprise Java, and we can actually finally get away from JEdit and use any IDE we want. The instructor suggests NetBeans or Eclipse. What do you guys use?

rhink 01-23-08 07:58 PM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
I've used JBuilder and Eclipse.... have a bit of a preference for JBuilder, but it does have some irritating bugs/quirks.

supra 01-23-08 08:18 PM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
i use Jcreator http://www.jcreator.com/

Harnagel 01-23-08 08:30 PM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
+1 for jcreator

stncttr908 01-23-08 08:40 PM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
I was always an Eclipse user, but JCreator looks very nice. Thanks for the link guys.

jcrox 01-24-08 10:06 PM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by supra

I'll give it a try this weekend

Absolution 01-25-08 04:53 AM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
Quote:

JCreator is written entirely in C++, which makes it fast and efficient compared to the Java based editors/IDE's.
This makes me giggle a bit. "We don't use the language you will program in because its slow". yaya, java is nice though :)

That editor looks a lot like visual studio.

jcrox 01-25-08 09:10 AM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolution
This makes me giggle a bit. "We don't use the language you will program in because its slow". yaya, java is nice though :)

That editor looks a lot like visual studio.

That is kind of funny but, after 2 semesters of being forced to use a highly modified version of JEdit, I'm just happy to have an IDE where I don't have to type out every single damn getter/setter :D

Zhivago 01-25-08 11:23 AM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcrox
That is kind of funny but, after 2 semesters of being forced to use a highly modified version of JEdit, I'm just happy to have an IDE where I don't have to type out every single damn getter/setter :D


I speak every now and then with the original creator of jEdit on freenode IRC - cool guy. (I use Eclipse for the record.)

Also, why does the false belief that Java is slow compared to C++ continue to persist? That used to be the case, but not for some time... check out some performance benchmarks sometime you guys.

If it is slower in some cases, it is most likely due to bad programming practices like disregarding the cost of object creation.

rhink 01-25-08 06:02 PM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhivago
I speak every now and then with the original creator of jEdit on freenode IRC - cool guy. (I use Eclipse for the record.)

Also, why does the false belief that Java is slow compared to C++ continue to persist? That used to be the case, but not for some time... check out some performance benchmarks sometime you guys.

If it is slower in some cases, it is most likely due to bad programming practices like disregarding the cost of object creation.

Problem is a lot of API's SUCK HORRIBLY for object creation, and you can't really control that... in which case C++ will blow it away (stack allocation vs heap allocation). I've seen a single call to unpack CORBA objects create about a zillion tiny objects.... and consume a huge majority of that app's execution time, too. The design of java kind of encourages you to create gobs of little objects without really thinking about it. Swing is bloated and slow as well. If it's all code you can control, it's not too bad. But the biggest performance issue is the non-determinism of the garbage collector.... though even that can usually be beaten into submission with proper tuning. Java can usually be "fast enough" (esp in 1.5 and 1.6... performance of some code I was working on doubled when we moved from a 1.4 jre to 1.5), though it's real difficult to get a direct, 1:1 comparison for performance, since it's not like you can just recompile your java code with a C++ compiler using all the same API's and such.

rhink 01-25-08 06:03 PM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolution
This makes me giggle a bit. "We don't use the language you will program in because its slow". yaya, java is nice though :)

That editor looks a lot like visual studio.

A lot of people go "huh?!" when you tell them the java runtime is written in C/C++ :p

They're all just tools.... C++ has advantages... so does Java. Whatever. Pick what is appropriate for the task at hand, and/or what you're comfortable using.

jcrox 01-25-08 10:47 PM

Re: Favorite IDE for Java
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhink
But the biggest performance issue is the non-determinism of the garbage collector.... though even that can usually be beaten into submission with proper tuning.

There is a way around that now apparently

http://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/realtime/rts/


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