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Heinz68 08-29-08 06:52 PM

The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled
 
The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled, Demands PC Gamers Not Be Treated as 'Potential Criminals'
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CaptNKILL 08-29-08 07:29 PM

Re: The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled
 
Interesting but completely meaningless.

We all want those things but all this "bill of rights" does is give us the right to want them.

What the hell is the point of that?

saturnotaku 08-29-08 07:31 PM

Re: The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptNKILL (Post 1761451)
Interesting but completely meaningless.

We all want those things but all this "bill of rights" does is give us the right to want them.

What the hell is the point of that?

+1

nekrosoft13 08-29-08 07:37 PM

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haha, like that will ever happen

CaptNKILL 08-29-08 07:43 PM

Re: The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled
 
EDIT: durr... nevermind.

3DBrad 08-29-08 09:25 PM

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Sorry, doesn't make sense.

"1. Gamers shall have the right to return games that don't work with their computers for a full refund."
The game works, your particular configuration has issues with it. No studio can test every hardware setup.
"2. Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state."
Vague. What's "finished"?
"3. Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game's release."
What if the game doesn't sell well? Who is going to pay for a studio to work on updates for a game that isn't doing well? There's a reason why Call of Duty 4 has tons of patches, because it has tons of players, and is selling really, really well.
"4. Gamers shall have the right to demand that download managers and updaters not force themselves to run or be forced to load in order to play a game."
You agree to terms when you buy it. If you don't agree, don't buy it. Sure, it's annoying to use online activation, etc. but studios are a business, and it has helped ensure the game sells well.
"5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will adequately play on that computer."
Adequately? Some people don't mind a framerate of 20fps, some think 20fps is unbearable, etc. Very vague.
"6. Gamers shall have the right to expect that games won't install hidden drivers or other potentially harmful software without their express consent."
Starforce is pretty much gone. Securom is usually safe. Sometimes annoying, but safe.
"7. Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time."
Who is paying the bills to keep the servers going to enable these downloads? Backup your games. Steam has a feature for that. Stay away from EA Downloader, and you'll be fine.
"8. Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers."
Do you leave your front door open because your neighbor isn't a criminal, or do you realize that your neighbors are good people, but people that aren't your neighbor may have ill will towards you or want something of yours?
"9. Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play."
Reasonable. Valve is the main offender for that, and Bioware/Mass Effect.
"10. Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play."
Does this really matter? Is it that hard to put a CD/DVD/Blu-ray in the drive?

Heinz68 08-29-08 10:28 PM

Re: The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled
 
I'm not going to take apart all your points.
The fact is people that chose the pirated copy don't have problems with many of the points or maybe none since they didn't pay for it.
So only the honest people actually purchasing the game face all this restrictions and inconveniences.

XDanger 08-30-08 09:26 AM

Re: The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spoudazo (Post 1761510)
"9. Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play."
Reasonable. Valve is the main offender for that, and Bioware/Mass Effect.

Doesn't offline mode work with all steam games?

saturnotaku 08-30-08 09:37 AM

Re: The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heinz68 (Post 1761539)
I'm not going to take apart all your points.

Because the points he makes are quite valid, except for #9 because of this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by XDanger (Post 1761755)
Doesn't offline mode work with all steam games?

It does, and quite well at that.

3DBrad 08-30-08 11:17 AM

Re: The Gamer's Bill of Rights Unveiled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XDanger (Post 1761755)
Doesn't offline mode work with all steam games?

Sometimes, sometimes not.

Remember when Valve's servers went down due to weather a year or two ago?

Some people it would work, some it wouldn't. Some file on your PC, not sure if it expires or what, but if you were not logged in to an account, for example, no go.

That said, I trust Valve a WHOLE LOT more than Microsoft or EA, so Valve is always my choice if I'm going to buy a game online.


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