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amdfanatyk 04-18-09 04:48 AM

How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
I've removed screenshots.

libsafe issue

_BELiAL_ 04-18-09 05:19 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Well,
i'm not playing nv devs advocate but you're not very constructive here... I'm using 180.44 and kde 3.5.10 and everything works ok. Perhaps is your distribution packager's fault... Or you're using wrong drivers for your card... Or something else broke your kde (i can read something about a DCOP failure)...

davelaser 04-18-09 05:28 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Looks unrelated to graphics to me...

amdfanatyk 04-18-09 05:42 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Yes it's not related to driver but with 177.82 KDE works and with any 180 starting from first beta it doesn't. There are no packages for "my distribution". Everything is self-compiled.

NvFuchs 04-18-09 07:51 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amdfanatyk (Post 1986098)
Yes it's not related to driver

[snip]

Correct, it seems to be a dcop related problem.

Make sure everything in your ~ belongs to the correct user, especially .ICEauthority and .DCOPserver_*, try running kdeinit from a terminal and check your .xsession-errors.

If you don't find anything suspicious, please try the following:

- run kde as a different user (not root)
- try to run KDE, create a nvidia bug report after it failing
- upload this bug report, along with your .xsession-errors and ls -al ~

As well: did you use distribution packed drivers up to the version it does not work? If so, maybe installing manually left your system in a broken state, as an example with mixed versions of openGL libraries and X drivers. Try to run a simple wm not depending on OpenGL and run any OpenGL Application (e.g. glxgears)

Please do not post ridiculously large screenshots directly for users with low bandwith, and large fonts usually mark content which is not worth reading.

Oh, and by the way, I confirm 180.51 working with KDE 3.5, and as this is gentoo, everything is self compiled as well.

K/R

Fuchs

amdfanatyk 04-19-09 04:00 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Man what's the point in checking rights if I say "kdeinit, dcopserver and whole KDE works with 177.82"?

Code:

$ ldd /usr/bin/dcopserver | grep GL
        libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x5287e000)
        libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (0x51604000)
$ ldd /usr/bin/kdeinit | grep GL
        libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x4b609000)
        libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (0x4a3bd000)

kdeinit and dcopserver depend on libGL files I expect are installed by NVIDIA driver.

I don't care if it's because of driver core or GL libraries installed by driver installer.

It's NVIDIA Linux not GENERAL LINUX.

NvFuchs 04-19-09 07:19 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Well, if you don't want help (I don't see any information I requested) you won't get help.
The fact that other people confirm that kde 3.5 is working with those drivers probably means that your problem is specific to your system/configuration. So not giving any details about it but just blaming nvidia (while it might be a pebcak or distribution problem as well) for the "good work" is not the best way to go.

And posting again in ridiculously large fonts won't help you either, my guess is that the thread will be removed instead of moved the next time.

You know what the good thing about community support is? It's not your problem whether the others problem gets solved or not.
So yeah, either you behave and let us help you, or you are stuck with your problem. Your system which doesn't work, not ours.

Fuchs

amdfanatyk 04-19-09 02:07 PM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
The only problem is that NVIDIA code has so poor quality it cannot work along with libsafe. Disabling libsafe allows KDE to run. More info. I'm fed up with using software written by kids from sandbox. I will rather resign from NVIDIA than libsafe.

NvFuchs 04-19-09 05:27 PM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amdfanatyk (Post 1986825)
The only problem is that NVIDIA code has so poor quality it cannot work along with libsafe. Disabling libsafe allows KDE to run. More info. I'm fed up with using software written by kids from sandbox. I will rather resign from NVIDIA than libsafe.

There are still people or even distributions out there using libsafe? Oh well, nevermind. I am quite sure that you informed the nvidia developers about the problem being caused by libsafe, instead of shouting around. And of course it is your free choice to resign from using nvidia products.

Good bye,

Fuchs

amdfanatyk 04-20-09 07:18 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Yes I'm happy to have free choice!

I don't care what software is in current distributions and I don't know if libsafe was ever in any distribution. The point is that if software is well-made it works on all systems.

NvFuchs 04-20-09 07:58 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amdfanatyk (Post 1987329)
Yes I'm happy to have free choice!

I don't care what software is in current distributions and I don't know if libsafe was ever in any distribution.

Well, I would not use it, then. Because it

- interacts on a really low level
- seems not to be that configurable to me
- is simply not up to date. The last update is older than 5 years.
- Is deprecated on modern CPUs anyway

Quote:

The point is that if software is well-made it works on all systems.
Definitely not, and especially not in Linux, and even more not for drivers. This is the price you have to pay for the flexibility. As a driver developer, you have different kernel configurations (with no stable API at all) and completely different userland software and driver handling mechanisms by different distributions. You can try to write a driver for a thing as complex as a GPU, which works on all environments (x86, amd64, all distributions out there, kernel 2.4 up to 2.6.*.git), I tell you that you won't succeed.

Regarding the problem with Libsafe:

I saw that you opened a thread with a more suited title, which is a good thing. However, I recommed you ask for moving it to the correct forum, and write a mail at the nvidia linux bugs mail address as well, including a nvidia bug report as described in the sticky.

Kind regards

Fuchs

amdfanatyk 04-20-09 08:04 AM

Re: How 180.44 and 180.51 work with KDE 3.5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvFuchs (Post 1987343)
Regarding the problem with Libsafe:

I saw that you opened a thread with a more suited title, which is a good thing. However, I recommed you ask for moving it to the correct forum, and write a mail at the nvidia linux bugs mail address as well, including a nvidia bug report as described in the sticky.

In fact I posted it on correct forum but it was blindly moved to incorrect!


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