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Madpistol 02-18-10 06:50 PM

Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
I have no clue how accurate this is, but....

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/...and-unfixable/


Discuss.

LydianKnight 02-18-10 07:25 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
Sounds like kind of a counter-measure against this: Geforce GTX 480 to be as hot as GTX 285

Maybe... maybe not. While I don't appreciate Charlie Demerjian's writing style, I have to admit he has been somewhat accurate about what he told about the need of an A3 revision and some other things... so I don't know what to say...

For me, it's the same as I said... I just expect Fermi to be a refresh of my current graphics architecture, I would consider myself more than satisfied with 'just' 512 cores even if they end being lowered in clocks.

Heck... my current GTX260 is clocked at 576MHz so in naive terms, I have 216 cores @ 576, as long as I can get my hands on the 512 core version, I wouldn't mind even having them at the same clocks (even 550 would do ok for me, I don't pretend to have an ATI-crushing machine, competition does nothing for me, I just want a home media+gaming machine).

What keeps me intrigued is the TDP... That would be the only real showstopper for me... more than 250W and... no, thanks.

Other than that... we'll have to wait and see :P

Just my 2 cents.

Julio

Madpistol 02-18-10 07:34 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
It's pretty obvious that this guys is an ATI fanboy. I just don't know how accurate it is.

If it's even remotely accurate, though, Fermi will not be the showstopper it's been touted as since September of last year. The 5870 and 5970 will still be the reigning champs of the Video Card industry.

Johnny C 02-18-10 07:54 PM

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It's Charlie....so if we take out all the cynicism and hatred of nV.....still looks like it might be a flop.

Worst thing is....that Charlie has been right about alot of key Fermi info thus far....

Johnny C 02-18-10 07:56 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Madpistol (Post 2191485)
It's pretty obvious that this guys is an ATI fanboy. I just don't know how accurate it is.

If it's even remotely accurate, though, Fermi will not be the showstopper it's been touted as since September of last year. The 5870 and 5970 will still be the reigning champs of the Video Card industry.

He isn't a fanboy of ATi....he just really really hates nV....which makes it seem like he's an AMDTi fanboy....

XxDeadlyxX 02-18-10 08:12 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
Well there's a lot of in-depth detail there, so a lot of it could be true unfortunately :(

JasonPC 02-18-10 08:19 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
All the nvidia PR guys are responding by saying Charlie is going to be eating his words come March. But we'll see. Are they right or are they PR guys being PR guys.

shadow001 02-18-10 08:52 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonPC (Post 2191506)
All the nvidia PR guys are responding by saying Charlie is going to be eating his words come March. But we'll see. Are they right or are they PR guys being PR guys.


And you'd expect them to say anything else?,since they are from Nvidia's marketing dept afterall and besides,even Nvidia's own CEO was caught in a lie when he stated Fermi might be available in late november 2009,most likely to keep potential customers from buying ATI cards this round.


He knew there was no chance in hell of fermi getting released that early in any sort of volume,yet he still said it anyhow,and had to personally retract on that statement later on,and that's the example set from the leader on Nvidia itself,so what do you expect the PR guys from the same company are going to do?....;)


Fermi is so horribly late at this point that refresh cards based on the GF100 GPU should be out not much after this first release anyhow....Kinda like what happened between the NV30,also being horribly late like Fermi,and the NV35 which was released about 3 months later.

Johnny C 02-18-10 09:36 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XxDeadlyxX (Post 2191505)
Well there's a lot of in-depth detail there, so a lot of it could be true unfortunately :(

He's also been right about alot of Fermi stuff so far.....

Sazar 02-18-10 09:59 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis (Post 2191550)
saying the GPU will be out by X date is a lie? you have proof he knew it was going to be delayed when he said that? Proof? When I wrote software sometimes I would release it when I said I would and sometimes I got it out after my estimated release date. It happens. Does not mean I lied.

Darth, in a manner of speaking, yes.

Much like the NV30 setup, the whole thing of "wait till this date, do NOT buy the other product, ours will be out by x date and will be faster and better".

It's not marketing, that's just lieing to prevent someone from buying a superior product that is out on the market now. Whether or not Fermi is faster whenever it is released is moot because their competitor has had a faster product out now for 6 months or so and the only response has been to lie to potential buyers to prevent them from going out and getting something else.

In this case, there is no indication anywhere that Nvidia even tried to get their card released by November of last year so, unfortunately, that would classify what he said as being a lie.

shadow001 02-18-10 09:59 PM

Re: Nvidia may be in trouble according to this article
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis (Post 2191550)
saying the GPU will be out by X date is a lie? you have proof he knew it was going to be delayed when he said that? Proof? When I wrote software sometimes I would release it when I said I would and sometimes I got it out after my estimated release date. It happens. Does not mean I lied.


Given that Charlie said several months ago that for the november date to be even possible at all,they'd have to get all the features,clocks and yeilds for Fermi working the way they wanted to from the very first revision of the Chip,which is something that pretty much never happends on the first revision of anything,never mind one with 3 billion transistors on a brand new 40nm fabrication process.


Then there was the little fact that when he made that statement in late september,as some of the GP-GPU related features of fermi were officially revealed one week after ATI unveiled the HD5870 cards,they didn't even have the first revision of Fermi back from TSMC yet,so how can one make availability predictions on something they don't even have working silicon of as of late september?.


Remember the hastily made card that Nvidia's CEO was proudly holding and showing to the crowd,stating that it was a fermi based,when it clearly wasn't by the sawed off PCB and wood screws holding the heatsink in place ....Nvidia's CEO lied about that plain and simple too....He's basically a top flight bull****ter of the worst degree to be a willing part of a stunt like that.

Johnny C 02-18-10 10:17 PM

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@ 2:31...."This puppy...here.....is Fermi"

hehe....it was nothing....


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