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Stigma 07-14-10 12:57 AM

GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
I'm looking to upgrade my video card, and I'm torn between two EVGA GeForce 400 series models:

GeForce GTX 460 SuperClocked (http://www.evga.com/products/moreInf...s%20Family&sw=)

GeForce GTX 470 SuperClocked (http://www.evga.com/products/moreInf...s%20Family&sw=).

I've searched through various reviews over the past few days and can't find enough information to support a definite conclusion.

The higher clock speeds on the 460 are appealing, but do they make up for the considerable lack of CUDA cores compared to the 470? Also it seems that for running DX11 games (Metro 2033 anyone?) or games at my prefered resolution (1920x1080) the 470 is a stronger card.

(I refuse to play Metro 2033 until I buy one of these cards... and I'd like to run it fairly maxed out.)

The difference in price point isn't a huge concern, unless there truly is a minimal difference in performance. I'd still like to consider temperature at load however, I've burned through a few video cards because of high temps.

Any input on this decision would be greatly appreciated. I'm upgrading from an 8800GTX, if that helps... Thanks in advance!

FastRedPonyCar 07-14-10 08:13 AM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
I'm in the same boat. And i too have been sitting on metro waiting for a better card to play it on.

The 470's are about $300~ish from newegg.

Maverick123w 07-14-10 09:39 AM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
If the 460 would have been out when I got my 470 I would have gotten it instead. No doubt about it.

Madpistol 07-14-10 11:41 AM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
The 470 is about 25-30% faster. It's also more expensive.

Which is more important to you? Raw power, or value per $$$?

Stigma 07-14-10 12:18 PM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
Raw power is more important, especially if the superclocked 470 is truly 25-30% faster than a superclocked 460. ...but I can't find data to support such a numerical advantage.

Also, I'm curious about the temperatures the 470 I linked runs at. If like other 470s I can expect 90+C at load, I'd likely select a 460, having burned out several other cards from extended use at high temperatures.

Maverick123w 07-14-10 12:58 PM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
If you use afterburner fan profiles temps are not really a problem. I don't see anything much higher than the low 80's on my summer overclock.

Bah! 07-14-10 01:04 PM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stigma (Post 2287455)
Raw power is more important, especially if the superclocked 470 is truly 25-30% faster than a superclocked 460. ...but I can't find data to support such a numerical advantage.

Also, I'm curious about the temperatures the 470 I linked runs at. If like other 470s I can expect 90+C at load, I'd likely select a 460, having burned out several other cards from extended use at high temperatures.

The Techpowerup 460 benchmarks show the 25-30% advantage that Madpistol was talking about.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...60_SLI/23.html

As for the temp issues, I don't see how people are getting in the 90's with their 470's. I don't even see close to those temps on my 480. With a custom fan profile in something like Afterburner the temps are much lower (with lower fan speeds) than the default test temps you see around the web. However, the 460 is going to be significantly cooler than the 470 either way.

Also, I wouldn't count on being able to run Metro 2033 full tilt on either card, so if that's the game you are shooting for performance wise, you might be disappointed with either card.

snowmanwithahat 07-14-10 01:31 PM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
I can tell you for sure, there really is no reason to worry abou the "value" of a GTX 470. If you can snag one for ~$300 - $330 you're getting a great deal. If you're comfortable overclocking especially you've got a monster of a card on your hands. I'm pushing 800 core and 1700 RAM which is giving me the performance (using 3dmark gpu score) of abou a 295 / GTX 480.... which is a sick deal considering the cost of a 480 in comparison.

FastRedPonyCar 07-14-10 03:44 PM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
I'm selling my 275 so I will have hopefully around $150 or so (whatever I can get for it) to put towards a new card.

If I decide to stick with a single gpu solution, I figure I may as well just save up a bit more and snag a 480 and be done with it but I know that the price for performance when compared to the 460 sucks.

My biggest problem is that I WANT a 480 and it's really not about the money to be perfectly honest, it's about knowing what I can get for my money and being left with a sour taste in my mouth knowing that I either got something terrific that doesn't perform as well but is much more practical... or saying reasonable buying be damned and get a 480 now and hope that the 480's drop in price near the end of the year.

Thing is, I doubt they will and knowing that for the price of a 480 I can get much better performance from a pair of 460's is where the 460's (and 470's) are the most attractive to me. I seriously doubt the 480's will drop in price low enough to make me want to buy another one though and that's my biggest problem with those.

the main reason I'm seriously considering the 470 is because I will eventually be running another 24" monitor and would much rather put the $$ towards that than a 2nd $400 card.


In the end though, I'm not really THAT demanding of the framerates but I would like something that can run crysis and metro at 1920 with max or near max settings at a decent frame rate.

The MSI 470 is $280 after rebate. Getting one now and then another (possibly used) near the end of the year seems like the best idea.

But on this page, at the bottom, WTF at the Palit 460 being as fast as a 470???

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/21


Back to square one.

newparad1gm 07-14-10 04:54 PM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FastRedPonyCar (Post 2287575)
I'm selling my 275 so I will have hopefully around $150 or so (whatever I can get for it) to put towards a new card.

If I decide to stick with a single gpu solution, I figure I may as well just save up a bit more and snag a 480 and be done with it but I know that the price for performance when compared to the 460 sucks.

My biggest problem is that I WANT a 480 and it's really not about the money to be perfectly honest, it's about knowing what I can get for my money and being left with a sour taste in my mouth knowing that I either got something terrific that doesn't perform as well but is much more practical... or saying reasonable buying be damned and get a 480 now and hope that the 480's drop in price near the end of the year.

Thing is, I doubt they will and knowing that for the price of a 480 I can get much better performance from a pair of 460's is where the 460's (and 470's) are the most attractive to me. I seriously doubt the 480's will drop in price low enough to make me want to buy another one though and that's my biggest problem with those.

the main reason I'm seriously considering the 470 is because I will eventually be running another 24" monitor and would much rather put the $$ towards that than a 2nd $400 card.


In the end though, I'm not really THAT demanding of the framerates but I would like something that can run crysis and metro at 1920 with max or near max settings at a decent frame rate.

The MSI 470 is $280 after rebate. Getting one now and then another (possibly used) near the end of the year seems like the best idea.

But on this page, at the bottom, WTF at the Palit 460 being as fast as a 470???

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/21


Back to square one.

That Palit is absurdly OC'd, and the only one 460 in that review that has 1GB framebuffer with 256-bit bus. With any luck, you could push a 470 to overclock to near-480 performance, and have that extra 256MB of framebuffer to play with over the 1GB 460. And for the other benches in that review, there's still a fair berth between the Palit and the stock 470. So if you can grab that 470 for $280, which is only ~$30 more than the Palit 460 (its $250 on Newegg), the 470 seems like a better idea.

snowmanwithahat 07-14-10 05:38 PM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
FRPC.... I'm from the same train of thought... at $50-$60 cost of upgrade I still feel like it wasn't justly spent going from a 285 to a 470 knowing that I will only have this pc for another year or two. That is until I realized the amount of performance I am getting with this 470. I'm 100% serious that you won't be disappointed with this from a value standpoint. I got it for $300 and its performance is just as good as a 480 when I overclock it. As long as you're comfortable with overclocking you are going to get a very very well performing card at a great value.

The 470 isn't a bad value at all if you can get it on sale and overclock it. It's probably one of the best values you can get considering the price / performance.

FastRedPonyCar 07-14-10 06:34 PM

Re: GTX 460 vs GTX 470
 
MSI 470 ordered

the extra $50 for the 470 is a no brainer. I talked with a few gaming buddies at work and they all are pretty much in the same boat. If I can get $150 for my 275 then I'll only be out of pocket $130.


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