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candle_86 09-06-11 08:13 PM

3870 vs GTS 450
 
Ok so its supposed to be faster correct?

COH-OF Everything on 1600x900
3870 32FPS
GTS 450 35FPS

WoW Cataclysm Ultra except Shadows at medium 1600x900
3870 51 FPS SW 13FPS 25man Rag
GTS 450 48FPS SW 15FPS 25man Rag

Mass Effect 2 1600x900 Max settings
3870 27FPS
GTS 450 30FPS


These are what ive tested so far.

Rest of system
Core2Duo E6750 @ 3.2
Abit IP35pro
4gb DDR2 800 @ 960
500x2GB Raid+0
450W Antec PSU


It seems quite underwhelming but the GTS450 is supposed to be close to a GTX260 196 but it feels like a GTS640.

Roadhog 09-06-11 08:21 PM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
16x9 and your cpu sucks... There is your problem.

candle_86 09-06-11 08:28 PM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
CPU is fine for the graphics horsepower road you know that lol. This thing is about on par with a GTX260 196 so its not being CPU bottlenecked. As for res thats not super low and I'd expect better preformance, from benchmarks ive found with the cloest i could get HD5650 vs GTS 450 the 450 even at 12x10 (less stressful was a good 40-50% faster, meaning there is something else wrong.

Roadhog 09-06-11 09:13 PM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by candle_86 (Post 2476512)
CPU is fine for the graphics horsepower road you know that lol. This thing is about on par with a GTX260 196 so its not being CPU bottlenecked. As for res thats not super low and I'd expect better preformance, from benchmarks ive found with the cloest i could get HD5650 vs GTS 450 the 450 even at 12x10 (less stressful was a good 40-50% faster, meaning there is something else wrong.

No, you are cpu limited at the low resolution you are playing at...

candle_86 09-07-11 03:03 AM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadhog (Post 2476522)
No, you are cpu limited at the low resolution you are playing at...

not that diffrent from 1680x1050 in all honesty, which is midrange res. Low end would be 1440x900 or 1366x768 1600x900, 1680x1050, 1600x1200, 1920x1080 are considered midrange. And quite frankly, in newer games i should see a diffrence.

bob saget 09-07-11 03:07 AM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
i dont think 1920x1080 are considered midrange. maybe VERY high midrange. those are usually 23-24inch monitors, and those are relatively rare among regular users (read: not gamers).

KasuCode 09-07-11 05:55 AM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
Hell ill trade you a 3870 for your GTS 450. then you can crossfire them and get even more performance :D

EciDemon 09-07-11 08:14 AM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by candle_86 (Post 2476507)
Ok so its supposed to be faster correct?

COH-OF Everything on 1600x900
3870 32FPS
GTS 450 35FPS

WoW Cataclysm Ultra except Shadows at medium 1600x900
3870 51 FPS SW 13FPS 25man Rag
GTS 450 48FPS SW 15FPS 25man Rag

Mass Effect 2 1600x900 Max settings
3870 27FPS
GTS 450 30FPS


These are what ive tested so far.

Rest of system
Core2Duo E6750 @ 3.2
Abit IP35pro
4gb DDR2 800 @ 960
500x2GB Raid+0
450W Antec PSU


It seems quite underwhelming but the GTS450 is supposed to be close to a GTX260 196 but it feels like a GTS640.

The Gtx 260 and Gts450 may have same amounts of shader cores, but the 260 got twice the memory bandwidth and higher fillrate as well.

Seems to me that the 3870 and the gts 450 is more equally matched then the 450 and gtx 260 is at least on paper.

And while there may be some cpu limitation going on, that isn't the problem here as I got similar setup as this guy does and I saw a very nice performance boost going from the gtx 260 as in the sig to a gtx 560ti in 1080p gaming.
You have upgraded to a card which isn't that much of an upgrade from the previous.

Gregor976 09-07-11 10:55 AM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
I didn't realize how CPU limited WoW was until I went from a 6600@3.6 to a 2500K@4. I think WoW is CPU limited and memory bandwidth limited. Most especially when there are a lot of toons on screen.

candle_86 09-08-11 02:22 AM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EciDemon (Post 2476643)
The Gtx 260 and Gts450 may have same amounts of shader cores, but the 260 got twice the memory bandwidth and higher fillrate as well.

Seems to me that the 3870 and the gts 450 is more equally matched then the 450 and gtx 260 is at least on paper.

And while there may be some cpu limitation going on, that isn't the problem here as I got similar setup as this guy does and I saw a very nice performance boost going from the gtx 260 as in the sig to a gtx 560ti in 1080p gaming.
You have upgraded to a card which isn't that much of an upgrade from the previous.

except benchmarks put it on par with a GTX 260 196 or just barely under it. Its right between the GTS250 and GTX260 usually closer to the 260. The HD3870 is supposed to be 50-70% slower.

john19055 09-08-11 09:01 AM

Re: 3870 vs GTS 450
 
I see a lot of people are getting over 3.6gigs out of that chip ,you might want to overclock it some more.I have a HD3850 and I was supprise how fast it was,since I bought it so cheap.


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