I really think everyone over there is unbelievably confused.. The whole "My 9800XT only gets 30-odd fps, and its cpu limited" was bull.

The graphs ppl posted at _LOW_ resolutions proved cpus were capable of getting into the 90's. Going from 1024x768 0AF, 0AA to 1600x1200 8xAF, 8xAA changes nothing except VRAM usage, and gpu power.

All its basically saying is those scores showed the NV40 capable of rendering the scene at 1600x1200 with AF+AA, at the same speed current gpu's can render it at 1024x768 no AF/AA.

Ignoring the AA and AF, 1600x1200 is 2.4 times more pixels to render than 1024x768.

And if NV40 has 16 pipes over R300's 8, with considerable extra clock speed too, then it doesn't sound soo unreasonable.

Factor in much more improved pipeline performance, faster, more efficient AA and AF, then it could well be possible IMO.

Really, I thought B3D was full of intelligent ppl?! :rolleyes:

b3d IS full of intelligent people... but like all sites they have their share of people with a certain perspective... whether right or wrong...

I am with tim and vegetto that it is entirely possible given the specs we have seen so far and the product is expected to debut @...

with reworked AA and better ps speed it is not unreasonable... though till final numbers come out it can be taken with a pinch of salt... :)

calling the info fake outright dis-regards all the info we supposedly 'know' about the product..

That surprised me as well.

I am still arguing the toss with FUDie as we speak about capping, he has got confused by capping and cpu helping his gpu. A cpu cap is where any increase in video overclocking will gain no performance, where as cpu limiting is where increasing the video card will still help, but increasing the cpu will also help ..ie getting a better system !

"Second, I know for a fact that Nature can be partially CPU limited as well as I got higher framerates on my 3.0 Ghz P4 vs. Athlon XP1900+. It wasn't a big difference, but it was measurabe"

That's not capping, that's just helping your video card to it's full potential, capping would be to stick an nv40/r420 into the system and getting the same as he does now, ie capped.

Trust me, there might be a cap on cpu as we get nv40 or r420, but no-one has yet reached it for drag or nature, so you can't say 36 k is impossible .

You can have your doubts, but you can't be so certain.

Regards

andy

If you keep the score in car/lobby with a 9800XT and double drag/nature, what score would we get in 3dmark-01 then? 32k? And if this thing is about 2.5 times faster i guess 36k is within reach indeed. :)

I was surprised by the tone of the thread. I only stop by to lurk occasionally but most of the time the threads seem pretty civil. So, when he started off by just calling the guy an idiot I knew the thread wouldn't take long to go south. Even if he felt strongly about it, he could have just said something like I don't think your results can be accurate or your results don't seem valid to me (or whatever). I don't understand starting with an insult especially to a guy that seems to be trying to give people a first look at what to expect. I guess some people just want to ruin the party but oh well...

In the end, I guess I'm hoping it is at least mostly correct info since it does seem like something to get excited about.

Got this in my email. I get email from nvidia every so often

I did this for my 5800 which gets 22 800 with AMD 64 at 2400Mhz and got 35K with 2.5x.

I have heavily tweaked my system but my guess is that the nv40 uses the latest drivers better than my old 5800 and also the fact is that with later video cards they get a better boost in 3dmark2001 than earlier per CPU MHz, ie going from 2200Mhz to 2400Mhz with nv38 will get you far more points than going with a GF3. ie the video cards are very scalable with powerful cpu's for 2001, the nv40 I assume even more so.

Might all be baloney though, maybe he has been smoking something and it is not 2.5x !

I like to assume the best though, keeps me getting too cynical

Regards

Andy

Yeah, me too. I felt sorry for the guy.
But then again, B3D has changed alot the past months. :(

But did u state them benchies were with 8X AF applied? :p

erm..maybe u did but I can't recall. I do recall your UT2k3 numbers which are similar to whats being posted at b3d.

:D

Those were posted months ago?? So the new nv40 must've been 'avalable' for quite some time then.

May releasedate sounds very realistic. :D

Also it's supposed to have 2.5 to 7 times the ps power of the 5950 so looks like it'll be 2x - 2.5x to that of the 9800XT. :D


p.s. When is R420 supposed to show it's face?

Dunno about R420, some were suggesting GDC but apparently DaveB at Beyond3D sorta hints it won't be?

I doubt there even is/was a new NV40. Seems like it's been a 16 pipe beauty from the start. :)

MUYA: They have till april the 13th ;)

What makes you so sure? The original nv40 was supposed to launch back in september or something. Guess that one got delayed to much so they moved on to renaming the nv45 to nv40...

Or something like that ;)

exactly! Nvidia of course doesnt want the average user to know this. what was supposed to be the origional nv40 instead came out as a higher clocked nv35 called nv38 or fx5950. ati, seeing this realzed they were so far ahead they did nothing but clock their card higher, thus the 9800xt was born. its time for real competition since the 9700 pro came

ok if nv40 is or was nv45 then what is nv 45 now did they move down the nv 50 to nv45 i mean what are we gonna see out of the nv45 now ..... are they just gonna tweek a few things here and there and then just launch it like they did with the nv35 hmmmm