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Xplode 05-28-04 08:45 PM

Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Hello everyone, I was gonna ask if anyone knows where I can buy a Fx5800U. Also I wanted to know if my 2.2ghz 512 RAM will stop the card from doing what its capable of.

Also is there any faster card I can buy for under 200$ that are as good or maybe even better then the Fx5800U.

Xplode

Intel17 05-28-04 08:55 PM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
STAY AWAY FROM THE 5800!! The 5900's are down to a good price snatch one of those :)
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Rollo 05-28-04 09:04 PM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Intel17
STAY AWAY FROM THE 5800!! The 5900's are down to a good price snatch one of those :)

To answer your original question, Waltar has a 5800Ultra for $170 on the FS/FT board.

The only 5900 you'll likely get for that (new anyway) is an XT, and it won't be much, if any, faster unless you OC it. You can get 9700Pros for less than $200, they'll be faster at DX9, slower at most non AA/AF, and about the same up to 4x8x.

It would be quieter though.

Nonetheless, loving the 5800Ultra I've been using.

zer0xp 05-28-04 09:21 PM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Assuming you want a new (as in not used), i would say go for the 5900XT... The leadtek version is nice because a lot of them come with 2.2ns ram (for that extra memory OC :D) lol.
For around 200 flat you can get a Radeon 9800 Pro which should give you some decent performance compared to today's cards. 5900 XT or 9800 Pro, they're both good cards, but out of all cards under 200, those are the ones you want to look at for some good performance.
Oh and your PC has enough power to get the most out of both of these cards.

Ruined 05-28-04 10:37 PM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
I'd go with the 5900XT, cause its gonna be in the same league as the 5800U without AA/AF, and faster with high levels of AA/AF.

But most importantly, the 5800U is friggin loud, even at idle, while the 5900XT is very quiet.

Even better, go with the eVGA 5900SE (400/700) $189 which is faster than the XT
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...130-179&depa=0

XanderF 05-28-04 11:11 PM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Some feller is selling new XFX 5900XTs on eBay for $165 shipped ($15 shipping, and $149.99 Buy-It-Now price).

I just got one of them. Although he is advertising '390/700' for the clocks - he obviously just copied his item description down from the XFX webpage.

Most early XFX 5900XTs had 800 mem clock, and the one I got did, as well. Stock memory cooling - no vMod or anything - nVidia's "auto detect" feature gave me 960 on the memory.

His name is belohocel if you want to check it out. Still has 20 available as of the moment I'm writing this.

(Even stock, these maul a 5800U badly. Yeah, it has 1ghz memory. So, what? It's 128bit! To be faster than a 5900XT's 256bit at 800mhz, it would have to be running at 1.6ghz!!!)

saturnotaku 05-29-04 02:43 AM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderF
(Even stock, these maul a 5800U badly. Yeah, it has 1ghz memory. So, what? It's 128bit! To be faster than a 5900XT's 256bit at 800mhz, it would have to be running at 1.6ghz!!!)

It would have to be faster than that because the 5800 runs DDR-2 which has higher latency than the 5900's "older" DDR-1.

So yes, grab a 5900XT or a 9800 Pro if you're not adverse to trying an ATI card.

Rollo 05-29-04 06:36 AM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruined
I'd go with the 5900XT, cause its gonna be in the same league as the 5800U without AA/AF, and faster with high levels of AA/AF.

But most importantly, the 5800U is friggin loud, even at idle, while the 5900XT is very quiet.

Even better, go with the eVGA 5900SE (400/700) $189 which is faster than the XT
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...130-179&depa=0

So much misinformation from one person!

I don't know what you consider "high levels of AA/AF" but the 5800U is going to be on par with 5900SE/XTs at playable settings.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...ournament_2003
At UT2003 10X7 4X8X, the 5800U gets 54.4fps, the 5900XT got 47.6fps. That's losing by 15% Ruined.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...charts-14.html
At Nascar Thunder 2004 10X7 4X8X, the 5800U gets 37.3 fps, the 5900XT gets 32.4, again losing by over 15%.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...charts-15.html
Huh. At Call of Duty 10X7, 4X8X, the 5800U is poundng the 5900xt AGAIN. 5800U=45.2fps, 5900XT=39.7
:rolleyes:

The 5800U is "friggin loud, even at idle"?! That's pretty amazing considering the FAN DOESN'T EVEN RUN AT IDLE. What's making the "frigging loud" noise, Ruined? The 5800U is dead silent when not running games.

Why is the 5900SE better ruined? I checked at newegg, the 5900XTs are all at 390/700, except the MSI which is at 400/700. Do you really think 10MHz on the core is going to make a difference? :screwy:

XanderF:
Quote:

Even stock, these maul a 5800U badly. Yeah, it has 1ghz memory. So, what? It's 128bit! To be faster than a 5900XT's 256bit at 800mhz, it would have to be running at 1.6ghz!!!)
Notice the 5900XT losing pretty badly to the 5800U in links above. Sure about your statement, have any links to back it up? :clap:
In that THG article, the 5800U beat the 5900XT at 9/10 benchmarks no AA/AF, and at all three 4x8X benches by a good margin, even with it's 128 bit memory. What up, guys, looks like my 5800U is displaying some ownage on the XTs?

I am going on vacation now, but you guys are owned:

5800U :headbang:

BTW- before you start posting, "well the 5800U would start losing at higher resolutions and detail settings", note those framerates and how you wouldn't really want your average much lower?

ChrisRay 05-29-04 06:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollo
So much misinformation from one person!

I don't know what you consider "high levels of AA/AF" but the 5800U is going to be on par with 5900SE/XTs at playable settings.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...ournament_2003
At UT2003 10X7 4X8X, the 5800U gets 54.4fps, the 5900XT got 47.6fps. That's losing by 15% Ruined.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...charts-14.html
At Nascar Thunder 2004 10X7 4X8X, the 5800U gets 37.3 fps, the 5900XT gets 32.4, again losing by over 15%.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...charts-15.html
Huh. At Call of Duty 10X7, 4X8X, the 5800U is poundng the 5900xt AGAIN. 5800U=45.2fps, 5900XT=39.7
:rolleyes:

The 5800U is "friggin loud, even at idle"?! That's pretty amazing considering the FAN DOESN'T EVEN RUN AT IDLE. What's making the "frigging loud" noise, Ruined? The 5800U is dead silent when not running games.

Why is the 5900SE better ruined? I checked at newegg, the 5900XTs are all at 390/700, except the MSI which is at 400/700. Do you really think 10MHz on the core is going to make a difference? :screwy:

XanderF:

Notice the 5900XT losing pretty badly to the 5800U in links above. Sure about your statement, have any links to back it up? :clap:
In that THG article, the 5800U beat the 5900XT at 9/10 benchmarks no AA/AF, and at all three 4x8X benches by a good margin, even with it's 128 bit memory. What up, guys, looks like my 5800U is displaying some ownage on the XTs?

I am going on vacation now, but you guys are owned:

5800U :headbang:

BTW- before you start posting, "well the 5800U would start losing at higher resolutions and detail settings", note those framerates and how you wouldn't really want your average much lower?



Naw. I'll just start posting practically every 5900XT can do 50 mhz more. and some up to 75 mhz more ;p

Xplode 05-29-04 08:48 PM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Thanks to everyone for the replys, one last Q tho. Does anyone have a link for a cheap 5900XT that I can OC hell? :)

Xplode

saturnotaku 05-29-04 08:57 PM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xplode
Does anyone have a link for a cheap 5900XT that I can OC hell?

BFG Tech makes one that comes OC'd right out of the box. Those are available at your local big box retailer (Best Buy, et al). Else you can check out Newegg.com for some FX5900XT/SE (SE is the same at XT) cards. Any of those cards should OC about the same. How well a card OC's will be dependant on the specific one you get, regardless of brand. You might get an eVGA (for example) that doesn't OC so well but someone else with the exact same card will get great speeds out of it.

zer0xp 05-29-04 09:24 PM

Re: Fx5800U?!?! Plz help
 
Here's a link to the leadtek i told you about in my previous post, most if not all have 2.2ns memory which should guarantee you a killer memory OC. Core OC should be as good as any other XT (if you get one that OCs well). Cooling is decent too, even though it doesnt look like it.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...122-183&depa=0


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