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BrianG 08-21-04 09:30 AM

Saturday Commentary
 
What do you have to say?

aaahhh52 08-21-04 10:32 AM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
meow

BrianG 08-21-04 10:38 AM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aaahhh52-SoV-
meow

That's funny. (crazy)

Daneel Olivaw 08-21-04 10:57 AM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
I remember the good old days of tweaking my P3 650 with 192MB of sdr133 and AGP S3 Savage4 32MB.

Getting games to run well (16bit color) (ST-Armada, QuakeIIIA, UT, DeusEX) was the most fun I had. I actually had to patch together a WinXP driver for the S3 to run Return to Castle Wolfenstein (openGL). That was 4-6 years ago, nowadays I have a bit more money, and I'm not squeazing quite as much from my hardware anymore, I replaced a Ti4200 in january 2004 with a FX5900xt. I just know that when GTs will be <=300$ CAN, I'll be buying.

It's not exactly like my Ti4200 couldn't run games anymore, I just wanted to be able to stop seeing this 'moiré' in far away side-seen textures... (AF)

We're all spoiled brats :)

Given to my sister:
| P3_650@866 | 3x128MB_SDR133 | GA-6BX7 | 1x20GB_Maxtor | JATON_GF4MX440 |
(the S3 Savage4 is displayed proudly... in a small box sitting in a bigger box in a closet)

my video upgrades
PCI Ati Mach64 - Ati Xpert98 - S3 Savage4 - GeForce4 MX440 - GeForce4 Ti4200 - GeForceFX 5900XT
on the side
GeForce2 MX200 - GeForce 5700 256MB (refunded) - Some sort of Voodoo - Ati rage something

john19055 08-21-04 11:03 AM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
I was told that I would regret it if I got a 6800Ultra over a X800XT PE,since I have been with Ati for a while and the 9500pro and the 9800pro witch were great cards and I was told the I.Q could'nt be beat. So I waited and waited and waited,over three months had past and they would just keep saying you should have it in a week or less.Well I got tired of being lied to even though it was'nt there fault that ATI could'nt deliver.But after seeing more more reviews from people that have a 6800 GT or Ultra and knowing that the PS and VS 3 should help the card on some future games and a few out now.I got a Evga 6800Ultra witch will overclock past the the Extreme series,witch surprise me ,but I run it at default speeds because it is fast enough with any of the games that I play.IMO the I.Q. is just as good as the X800Pro that I had for a month and I was suprise when I ran the benchmark 2003 and got 12,000 compaired to the 5600 for my 9800pro and 8,700 for my X800pro,and can hit over 13,000 with some overclocking of the card.But benchmarks don't mean that much if they don't run a game right.But so far ever game that I have installed runs perfect with the 6800 ultra and that could'nt be said when I had my X800pro witch had problems with flashing textures in Pain Killer,but I guess all new video cards has a few problems when they first come out.
I guess I can stop rambling on but the 6800ultra has been a lot better card then I thought it was going to be,I thought that I was just settling for secound best ,but after haveing the 6800ultra and playing my games ,IMO I think I made the right decission.

SpeedDemon 08-21-04 01:06 PM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
I love how now after we all have gotten used to playing most of our games with AF and AA, when newer games come out and we have to turn these features off to get acceptable framerates on still great cards like the 9700pro and 9800pro, we just feel like something is missing. At least I can't stand jagged lines and blurred textures anymore. That just seems like a finishing touch that should be expected, and to me running a game without it just seems kind of silly unless you are playing in a tourney and need every last frame. I personally am waiting for the next series of GeForce6's in PCI-e so that I can run them in SLI and for sure get perfect performance at 10x7x32 with 4xAA/8xAF in Doom3 with never a dip below 60fps. If I can pull those kind of benchmarks then I'm sure that I'll be happy for some time to come. Until then I'm going to stay with my 9700pro which is a great card and I think that right now is one of the most exciting times in gaming with all of the great games we have and have coming (titles coming to mind; Doom3, Half-Life2, UT2004).

eesa 08-21-04 01:41 PM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
ppl are just more demanding now, more picky, and trying to look for more and more things to criticise. Ppl got bored for FPS, so they started IQ comparisons with 10x maginfied screenshots... Guess when the real stuff gets boring, it's time for the details. I still take the stand that if it takes a screenshot side by side to show me a difference, it's not nearly enough of a difference for me to care. I'm still all about the FPS :)

I also don't use AA but always use AF. Personal preference.
I also got out of the numbers game. If a game doesn't slow down, it's good enough for me :)

things have changed.

RuneSR 08-21-04 05:52 PM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
Also remember to check these articles:

1. http://www.driverheaven.net/showthre...812#post423812

2. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...st/default.asp

3. http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=1193

In these articles X800XT PE is 28 to 44 % faster than 6800U in 1600x1200 4X/8X - and only Firingsquad and Driver Heaven seem to have used MAX settings in the VST test (= "reflect all"), while Tech Report only used the less intensive "reflect world" detail setting (Games Depot has unknown settings). So clearly HalcYon could seem quite biased by writing "Now I don't want to sound like an NVIDIA apologist here, but the debate raging for 70 fps vs. 60 fps at 16x12 4X/8X is hardly worth amount of time we are are wasting on it". The differences seen at the sites mentioned above far exceeds "70 fps vs. 60 fps" and I am quite surprised that NVNews has not mentioned the VST reviews on VR-Zone, FiringSquad and Driver Heaven. 6800U is doing much worse in these test compared to X800XT PE than in the tests from Gamers Depot and Tech Report and in my opinion it is only fair that the readers of NVNEWS get the whole story, unless NVNEWS wishes to conceal some potentially important aspects regarding 6800U vs. X800XT PE in Half-Life 2 VST.

PaiN 08-21-04 08:56 PM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eesa
ppl are just more demanding now, more picky, and trying to look for more and more things to criticise.

People should be more demanding......hell, for top-end vid they are paying $400-$500+. Reason enough me to be critical (soapbox)

eesa 08-21-04 09:03 PM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
kinda makes that 299CDN voodoo2 look pretty cheap doesn't it?

there was a time I wouldn't pay over 100 for a vid card.

eesa 08-21-04 09:07 PM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PaiN
People should be more demanding......hell, for top-end vid they are paying $400-$500+. Reason enough me to be critical (soapbox)

i agree, sort of. I demand mindblowing performance... Just that a lot of things ppl are spending a lot of effort pointing out these days I hardly care about. I can tell the diff between AA off and on, or AF off or on... but anything less obvious than that I have a hard time noticing. lol.

saturnotaku 08-21-04 09:56 PM

Re: Saturday Commentary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RuneSR
it is only fair that the readers of NVNEWS get the whole story, unless NVNEWS wishes to conceal some potentially important aspects regarding 6800U vs. X800XT PE in Half-Life 2 VST.

If people browse the forums, it's quite obvious that the links you posted have been discussed ad nauseum. But I did re-read the FS comparison and there is no mention of how they benchmarked the 6800 series with regard to trilinear and anisotropic optimizations. They also did not bench with the 65.62 drivers, which has been proven to close the performance gap between the X800 and 6800.

Thank you, please drive through.


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