Where's the socket 754 nforce4 motherboards?
 

Anybody know when we will see socket 754 nforce4 motherboards? I expected to see announcements at CEBIT but was suprised not to see any other than Foxconn.

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Socket 754 is, for all intents and purposes, dead.

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Yes, I really doubt we will see much 754 nForce 4 mobos

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i dont know why 754 is dead its a good chip but thats the way things go i guess......

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No on-chip memory controller and no support whatsoever for dual channel memory really sucks.

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What!? I don't consider my 3400 slow at all- the 754 chips DO have a memory controller built in- it's just single channel.

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check on the nvidia website, for a long time they've had the mb descriptions on it and they had no plans for any version of a 754 socket mb and i dont see why they would as if your getting an nf4 your probably looking to be high end with sli or at least pci-e

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Yea, I'f I'm remembering correctly, the plans are to discontinue socket 754...

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I think it is a good thing they are trying to go to only one socket...it is a big pain to have to deal with multiple sockets. We specifically waited for socket 939 so we didn't have multiple cpu sockets to deal with at work.

Performancewise there isn't a big difference (on the desktop) between single/dual channel memory on Athlon 64 because the memory controller is already so efficient.

If I was going to switch from an AGP system to a PCIe system I'd probably just buy a new CPU anyway - the cost is already going to be high. If I was building a new Nforce4 system I'd just spend the little extra money and get socket 939 anyway. Either way you look at it there isn't much reason for AMD to keep it around.

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I didn't say it was slow, I said it sucked.

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Its better then whats in your sig... ;)


So if 754 is gonna die out then Sempron's will also become all s939?

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I don't see why not. I didn't think a socket 939 cpu would work at all without dual channel but we tried it with one piece of ram and it worked fine, so Sempron should be ok even if it just supports only single channel.

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Gosh, now I'm upset.

:rolleyes2

I think you're still no understanding my post: I'm not saying that socket 754 sucks, I'm saying that it has no dual channel memory controller sucks.

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You're saying something sucks because you don't like it (which is fine) and not because of performance issues.
Thats fine I don't like socket 754 either. :) It reminds me of the socket 423 Pentium 4, or socket 4 for Pentium.

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I can't see how something not having a dual channel memory controller either on-chip or on-board would NOT suck and that's not because of personal preference but because of performance issues.

Sure, DC isn't that much faster, but it's a 3-5% increase, which is a performance drop, so how can you honestly say that I think 754 sucks for personal reasons when I have stated I think it sucks for performance reasons?

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Oh I agree with you, but nowhere in this thread did you say it sucks for performance reasons until now. Just read everything you wrote...you're contradicting yourself now. Just based on what you wrote it seems like you just have a thing against socket 754, which I agree with - I think it was a bad idea to create a socket which was clearly planned obsolescence. I'm not attacking you I'm just uncertain why you are writing one thing and then getting mad about it.

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nf4 s754 won't ever be accepted as standard. that being said nf3 is just about as good as the nf4 chipset and the new graphics cards are coming out in agp. lastly s754 while not ideal still has plenty of life. amd has just announced 90nm sse3 1mb cache turion strained silicon chips for the mobile a64 market. these chips should work in desktop motherboards and will probably overclock like demons. amd has also shown off and speculated on dual core s754 turions. once again as long as mobile stays s754 (which it will till the m2 socket comes out) you will be fine. oh yeah and lastly, yes dual channel is faster but with an integrated memory on chip the difference is not that big and can be offset by a faster cpu. (look at reviews of the s754 3400 newcastle vs the s939 3500)

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What posts are you reading? I talked about the memory controller for the entire thread stating that's why it sucked.
:wtf:

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^His 2nd post... right after the 1st one where he said it was dead.

See above comment :)

Conclusion:
Socket 754 sucks because is has no on-chip memory controller and no support whatsoever for dual channel memory and socket 939 is where everything is going for AMD 64's :cool:

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I think you're agreeing with me and not the people disagreeing with me, so thanks.

I think.

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socket 754s do have an on chip memory controller however it is only a 64bit single channel controller. (unlike the dual channel s939 on chip controller) this equates to around half the memory bandwidth however the single channel on chip is still very fast and the doubling of memory performance only increases overall speed by 3-5.

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If the single vs dual channel performance was the same (which its not, I know, but its very close) then why would simply being single channel make something suck?

Thats all I'm saying, and up until halfway through this you didn't say anything specifically about performance, just "it sucks because its not dual channel". I don't immediately associate a 3-5% performance difference with the word "suck" so I assumed you meant another reason.

I thought you were just saying you didn't like socket 754 because it is a bastard child (which it is) and I am agreeing with that. I was trying to support what I thought you meant, but I also agree with the fact that the performance is not as good, as clearly this is the case.

I am agreeing with you on both points , even if you actually were only really making one of them...see what I mean now? Peace bro! :afro2: I think I'm clear now. Sorry for the confusion.

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DFI said something about an NF4 socket 754 mobo, but haven't heard much in a while. Asus has an SiS chipset board thats 754 with pci-e.

The whole thing about saying socket 754 sucks is idiotic, especially coming from people who don't even own either AMD64 setup. Plus I don't think I ever heard anyone say socket 754 AMD64's sucked.

Plus socket 754 still has a life, AMD will be releasing mobile chips which are socket 754 and 90nm and some with 1M cache and of coarse faster clock speeds. Still if your setup is going to be new socket 939 is the more logical choice.

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I said it sucked. Numerous times.

So because I don't own something, that means I can't comment on it? I don't own a celeron, but I say and will continue to say they suck. I don't own a Ford and I say and will continue to say they suck. I don't have a Mac and I think they suck, too.

So ****ing what if I don't have an A64 setup? The simple fact that AMD has hung the line out to dry says enough to me that socket 754 sucks.

Buying a socket 754 A64 is probably the dumbest thing you could do for someone going the A64 route. The platform was dying before it launched and the fact that it has severely limited upgradability partnered with lack of dual channel and 100% for-sure PCIe support, what's the point? People doing normal day-to-day tasks that don't need dual channel RAM let alone PCIe support don't even need a 64-bit processor. Not yet at least. The A64 line is almost exclusively for enthusiasts and buying something that doesn't allow enthusiasts to be enthusiasts is stupid.

But that's me, and I don't own an A64 setup, so what I say really doesn't matter anyway. :rolleyes2: I'd rather be stuck with my Athlon XP setup then ever have to have a socket 754 based machine.

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"But that's me, and I don't own an A64 setup, so what I say really doesn't matter anyway. : I'd rather be stuck with my Athlon XP setup then ever have to have a socket 754 based machine."

Wow, you're frickin retarded. I got a 120$ S754 2800+ paired with a 75$ chaintech VNF3-250 and its hitting 2.43 on stock HSF. The appeal of S754 is for people on a BUDGET. You cannot say it sucks at all because my system flies. Also, saying you'd rather have an AXP than an A64 is just lame. :rolleyes: Also, everyones saying S754 is dead... haha thats ok when I have a 90nm 1MB cache SSE3 cpu that oc'es a hell of a lot farther than any S939 cpu...

O and... THE DARKNESS... SUCKS!! and im saying that because ive actually listened to them. :afro:

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You aren't going to be around here long. :D

And as I said before: people on a budget are people who usually aren't looking for the latest and greatest and therefore don't need an A64 based setup. But then again, those extra frames per second in Word and Outlook are teh r0x0rz!!!!11 :rolleyes2

And why, pray tell, am I "retarded" for wanted to keep my Athlon XP than up it to a dead platform for "people on a budget" as you've so eloquently put it?

But hey, that "90nm 1MB cache SSE3 CPU that oc'es a hell of a lot farther than any 939 cpu" must make that tiny penis of yours feel so much bigger, huh? :)

And, you're petty enough that attacking my musical tastes only makes me laugh and feel more sorry for your pathetic soul. Keep up the excellent posts and we'll see you banned real soon! Buh-bye now!

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It only sucks because early AMD A64 adopters are kinda getten left out in the cold. But this isnt really surprising in this industry these days.

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Exactly! I happen to be one of the early adopters, but I did know the the socket would be short lived when I bought it. However, I didn't see (and still don't) that the socket 939 gives that significant of a performance boost to change at the moment. I would be more than happy to stick with my current 3400+ and get a new board that supports pci express. I contacted Foxconn and they told me they are shipping socket 754 nforce4 boards this week.

:afro2: BTW-Darkness sucks! I know I've never heard their music or own their CD but I have a right to comment on them. I'd take my old Pink Floyd cassette tapes over them any day. Buying a Darkness CD is the worst thing you can do right now- there's so much better music out there. So because I don't own something, that means I can't comment on it? I don't own a Darkness CD, but I say and will continue to say they suck. :D

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S754 & Nforce4

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/story.php?id=1819

Translated from German to English by Babelfish

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Just because someone is on a budget means they can't have the latest and greatest? Don't think so. Do you mean to say if you upgrade now you should get an AXP just because you can't afford a S939 CPU? I'll take the small tradeoff performance wise thank you. Plus my CPU overclocks very well.

You can keep your AXP, but calling S754 dead is retarded when there are new CPU's coming out for it. As Gator pointed out also, there might be an Asus NF4 754 mobo coming out.

Turion's are gonna rock, and is another reason for the BUDGET overclocker like myself to get S754. It's like having a 939 CPU (90nm) without the DC memory controller.

One more thing, I don't like The Darkness, sorry if my opinion is petty. Forget those radio pop bands. Support your local music scene people! If you wanna listen to good music, and this is my opinion, go get some Life Of Agony, Poison The Well, Hot Water Music or Diecast. Though if you like The Darkness that music will probably blow your ears out and cause you to emit a high pitched whine, much like their lead singer.

"I'd rather be stuck with my Athlon XP setup then ever have to have a socket 754 based machine." -superklye

And my posts are stupid?

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Socket 754 CPU's arent bad. They just remind me of the Socket 423 Pentium 4's. They eventually will be replaced, in the same way that AXP will eventually be replaced also. They can't keep three Sockets around forever. Its confusing for consumers. We will all need new mobos anyways once AMD goes DDR3 memory next year.

As for Celerons. The older 128 L2, 400FSB Celeron DID suck. The new CeleronD's are much improved for a budget CPU. 256K L2 Cache, 533FSB. They outperform a Sempron most of the time.

Oh, and the personal attacks need to stop or action will be taken.

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S754 is still an excellent solution, very powerful, and very cheap. I like it too, but let's not start a holy war about it. I don't think they are making new models of S754 based CPU's though, but they should continue to manufacturer the current models.

Why do you have to attack SuperKyle's music taste though? I'm sorry but that's jsut flatout thread crapping, you're completely taking away from the topic at hand, hurting your own arguement, and indeed making yourself look petty. So cut it out, if SuperKyle is wrong then he is wrong, but let's not have personal attacks here.

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I was just trying to be funny :) I just cut and pasted SuperKyle's post and substituted "Darkness" for socket 754. I was just trying to have fun- no harm.

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Sorry if I offended anyone, as I did not mean too; just stating the facts about the S754 platform and that it is not dead and is a viable solution to someone looking for performance at a low price point. I agree maybe I should have left my musical preference out of the thread; won't happen again. :)

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But, what your simple, pathetic mind can't seem to comprehend, is that there is no upgrade or alternate version of the Darkness. Music is subjective in taste. Technology is fact.

Buying into a dying platform is stupid. If socket 754 didn't suck, why wouldn't AMD be pushing it more? Why wouldn't there be an FX-55 socket 754? Obviously, 939 is better, or else that wouldn't be where the flagship processors and technology are.

I can comment on technology because it's a relative comparison...what would be better: a socket 754 based machine with the processor maxing out at 3700+ and no dual channel memory or socket 939, with an FX-55, soon to be 57 and other future upgrades WITH dual channel memory? It's your money and I'm not going to tell you HOW to spend it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop stating the obvious.

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Maybe, if they're on a budget, that means they'll be looking at something that is going to do them well not only now, but in the future as well. You know, like, upgrading just a single part (processor) in the future because the platform will still be around and supported? Sounds like the budget-minded thing to do...not splurge on something that's a marginal step up, but will require another huge upgrade later on.

But hey, if you want to waste money, by all means...

Wow. Really? There MIGHT be new upgrades coming at some indetermined time! ****! Those are odds I'm willing to risk! Hmm...buy something that MAY get an upgrade at some point or buy something that already IS the upgrade and will continue to get better...GOD! This is so tough!

Great, but 939 isn't that much more expensive anymore, so this is kind of a moot point.

Would you shut up with The Darkness already? This had absolutely no place in this thread to begin with and I have absolutely no respect for your petty attempt to one up me. Instead of presenting me with facts or an argument with some sound basis on why 754 is teh 1337, you attacked my musical taste.

Congratulations on being a real man. :rolleyes2

Yes. Especially because you can't seem to figure out the "QUOTE" function.

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Unless you are going to add to the conversation, get out and stay out of this thread.

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I agree that S939 is better... but isn't labeling S754 "stupid" a little harsh. I mean fact is S754 is still an excelent performer. And when you can get an A64 2800 for $109, and an Asus Nforce3 250 motherboard for only $65, it's a deal that just can't be beat. For less than 200 bucks anyone can have a powerhouse, so that in my mind says S754 is neither stupid nor dead... it just lacks the potential for new model CPU's.

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I suppose you're right, stupid is too harsh of a word. I wasn't calling anyone that currently has 754 stupid, and I should rephrase and say that considering buying into it now is a bad idea. When 754 first came out, it was appealing...but now, what's the point?

It doesn't seem budget minded to me to buy into a platform that won't allow for extreme upgrades when funds become available just doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't you just get a cheap NF4 board and 939? It's going to be around for some time and allows for, the time being, unlimited upgrade possiblities.

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Because the cheapest NF4 motherboard is an ECS brand for $80 and the cheapest S939 A64 is $138. So if you are on an extreme budget you can still get S754 for $44 less than S939. Again S754 only makes sense for budget folks at this point, but needless to say it is not by any means slow, it's just limited.