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clytle374 08-10-06 10:17 PM

open drivers
 
I got kicked for this post in open discussion. I'll try it here, i'm not trolling (as someone accused me of) I just curios.

Intel open some of it drivers today, and AMD bought ATI, and there is talk of open drivers. Would you switch?

BTW I run Nvidia cards and chipsets now.

madman2003 08-11-06 03:40 AM

Re: open drivers
 
If the drivers are of decent quality, then yes i would consider buying a non-nvidia card next time.

Thunderbird 08-11-06 04:11 AM

Re: open drivers
 
Something similar although without a poll is a bit going on in http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=74846 and the same for http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=73974. A poll will only lead to a flamewar and although you might want opensource drivers, Nvidia's stance won't be changed by such a poll. Please continue in the other thread.

Linuxhippy 08-11-06 05:57 AM

Re: open drivers
 
Well I think this poll is plain stupid - why should anyone vote for "no"?

In fact I would not have problems with closed source drivers as long as nvidia would support new kernel versions even for old cards and would provide high quality drivers.
NVidia drivers are quite good but specially linux-only features like Render accaleration, preempt support and stuff like this are still very poor - this is where opensourceing the drivers would really help. Driver releases more often to fix linux specific stuff would also help - for now its basically a shame to be forced to wait 6 months to get anything fixed!

However as long as these issues would be fixed I would not see real problems with closed drivers.

lg Clemens

[Sheridan] 08-11-06 06:25 AM

Re: open drivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunderbird
Something similar although without a poll is a bit going on in http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=74846 and the same for http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=73974. A poll will only lead to a flamewar and although you might want opensource drivers, Nvidia's stance won't be changed by such a poll. Please continue in the other thread.

selected.

clytle374 08-11-06 06:30 AM

Re: open drivers
 
I wanted to add somthing here as i don't want this to turn into a war of any sorts. This is for nvidia's input. Asking if we want open souce drives in a linux fourm is pointless, this is a only a question. Would you leave nvidia for a card (ie ATI) going open source??

YES
OR
NO

As above, in Thunderbirds post, there are other threads discussing this subject.
Cory

Henning Rogge 08-11-06 06:40 AM

Re: open drivers
 
I have changed from ATI to Nvidia because ATI linux driver suck... I would change back if there is an open AIT driver which gives me at least 70% of the closed nvidia driver performance on a similar card.

chrismortimore 08-11-06 07:02 AM

Re: open drivers
 
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...OPcurve_1.html

The last paragraph is the most interesting.

Gusar 08-11-06 08:35 AM

Re: open drivers
 
Quote:

Well I think this poll is plain stupid - why should anyone vote for "no"?
I voted no. I've had nvidia cards in my machines for years. I know their quality and the quality of nvidia drivers. ATI, on the other hand, has a very bad reputation regarding linux and there are people that say that even ATI's windows drivers are crap. It would take a lot to make me switch.

Quote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...OPcurve_1.html

The last paragraph is the most interesting.
The last paragraph says "open-sourcing at least a functional subset of ATIís graphics drivers".

What does that mean exactly, "functional subset"? I'll tell you what: enough to show a picture.
The lastest radeon cards don't work at all with opensource drivers (vesa doesn't count). My guess is that what AMD will release is a driver that does 2d only, just like the 'nv' driver does for nvidia. This is nothing more that clever marketing speak to create hype.

Thunderbird 08-11-06 09:44 AM

Re: open drivers
 
See that this poll/thread isn't that usefull ... I might close it soon

energyman76b 08-11-06 10:39 AM

Re: open drivers
 
I can not switch to intel, because ousing intel graphics means using a intel CPU.

And I won't do that.

I would not switch to ATI, because of real bad experiences some years back - even with the open drivers.

I'd stay nvidia and wait for nouveau.

Lamieur 08-11-06 11:02 AM

Re: open drivers
 
Nouveau is going nowhere because:
1. NVIDIA won't release even the register names to the developers,
2. the closed NVIDIA driver is really good (unlike ATI's past drivers, which is why we already have working r300 driver),
3. there are more open alternatives from Intel and we're waiting for AMD to tell us, what exactly will they be opening.

So, in short, anyone stuck with NVIDIA hardware can use nv or proprietary nvidia driver (because it does work most of the time and it works very good, I admit) and not help nouveau with the non-working skeleton of a driver, and simply buy competing hardware next time (instead of developing drivers for the hardware which vendor doesn't support Linux - I know there are some binary drivers, but when I asked for Xorg 7.1 support, on this very forum they told me I bought a Windows card and Linux is not officialy supported).

One more thing - before you say that Intel doesn't make good GPU-s, check again their latest offerings. The only thing with them is that it's impossible to buy external cards, so MB upgrade required, not to mention Athlon users' situation.


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