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savyj 08-16-02 01:30 PM

Can AMD take back the flagship crown prior to Hammer?
I was just looking at the Top 20 Webmasters for 3DMark2001 and noticed a few Athlon systems competing quite well running in the 2.0ghz range with P4's running in the 2.8ghz range. With 2.13ghz Athlon XP's on the way and the nForce2 claiming at least a 1% improvement over the KT333 is it feasible that AMD could temporarily regain the performance crown? Does anybody know if the new Athlons will be 333mhz FSB or is that slated for the 2800+?

-=DVS=- 08-16-02 08:53 PM

Woun't be easy Intel soon will ship new P4 prescot.. with 3GHz + with some high improvements like big super fast cash at 2Ghz :eek: also Hyper.... something tech from AMD :(

AMD better release Hammer faster :rolleyes:

-=DVS=- 08-16-02 08:55 PM

Hehe i forgot i already made a comment about new P4

Just two weeks ago Intel officially introduced the successor to the Pentium 4 under the codename Prescott. To be released in the second half of 2003, Prescott will be Intel's first 0.09-micron (90nm) CPU that will feature the following:

- Hyper-Threading technology
- Micro-architectural enhancements
- Additional L2 cache
- 800MHz FSB (200MHz Quad-Pumped)
- 90nm manufacturing process
- Close to 100,000,000 transistors

P4 Presccot ships in 2003 only

netviper13 08-16-02 09:26 PM

And AMD's .09 micron CPU also ships in 2H of 2003, according to their roadmap.

|JuiceZ| 08-16-02 11:46 PM

hmmmm....*rubs hand together* the future it starting to look very bright for cpu's :)

SavagePaladin 08-17-02 12:18 AM

The problem is when the CPUs get so cheap that selling them becomes a low profit business. what will AMD do then, I have to ask :p

Just a theoretical question, no need for attacks

Pakman 08-17-02 01:52 AM

Short answer to the mans question: NO. And I am an AMD user too. It's just a fact that it is not going to happen. When the Hammer arrives though, look out Intel.

netviper13 08-17-02 02:15 AM

A 333 FSB 2800+ could take back the crown, but only very temporarily. It would certainly ensure AMD's safety until the release of Hammer though.

And according to the previews floating around, Opteron chips will be available yet this year, so we should get a fairly accurate picture of what the Athlon version of the K8 will bring.

StealthHawk 08-17-02 05:23 AM

yes, but by the time a 2800+ 333FSB Athlon gets out the door, Intel will likely have a 3GHz CPU out...

savyj 08-17-02 03:42 PM

DVS: My question is focused on the near future not 2003.

SavagePaladin: Well AMD's been selling their CPU's in this price range (perhaps even lower) for years, all the while eating at Intel's marketshare so I'm not too worried about that aspect of the market right now.

Pakman: Well, that's my question, I keep seeing people move on to the Intel platform (not me, I won't buy an Intel if there's an alternative, if for no other reason but to balance the market) but when I research the benchmarks it seems that the 2.53mhz P4 is only marginally ahead of the Athlon XP 2200+ (in fact still behind in a few benchmarks) and most of these have been HEAVILY optimized for the P4, something you're not gonna find in a lot of run of the mill software.

I would say that in "balanced" software (for lack of a better term, meaning software where the P4 was just behind the Athlon XP before the Northwood/533mhz FSB chips shipped), the Athlon XP 2400+ and 2600+ in an nForce2 could take back the lead. In the software where the 2.0ghz P4 at 400mhz fsb beats an Athlon XP 2200+, well we'll have to wait for the Hammer's SSE2 to take advantage of the optimizations being used for that software.

Another question: Has anyone found any decent comparison's between a P4/533mhz DDR system and a Athlon XP 2200+ KT333 system? I haven't been able to find one.

StealthHawk 08-17-02 09:57 PM

here's a review http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q...ghbred-14.html. i'm not sure if they're using a KT333 or a KT266A. but since the performance difference is marginal at best(the KT333 performs 0-5% better than the KT266A) it is very indicative of performance.

SavagePaladin's point is that AMD is now producing high end CPUs, not just value parts like it did in the days of yore.

savyj 08-17-02 10:06 PM

Actually StealthHawk it appears that those comparisons are once again a P4 with RDRAM not DDR. Don't the P4 DDR systems peforming slightly lower than the P4 RDRAM systems?

And isn't/hasn't making CPU's been a low profit business for the last couple of years? Whether or not they've been building "high end CPU's" the profit margin has always averaged near the same for AMD (actually it's a bit better now, I think). Again, I don't think that's anything to worry about.

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