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Old 05-27-03, 02:01 AM   #113
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Originally posted by Sazar
he is saying what he is saying because that is what is being done..
i know

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read up about it on b3d forums where the guys have basically broken everything down and explained it as best as is possible...
fine, i probably dont need their interpretation.

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concerning the optimizations... it is the code you optimize thats where the performance comes from basically... ati has already specified WHAT it optimized so I see no reason for you to pick on this point and overanalyze it... it has been stated already...
i dont care if you found my interpretation pointless.

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concerning the bugs... he has put that AFAIk in reference to nvidia also appearing to render everything with full precision but not actually rendering 'everything' and certainly with anomalies that are not expected...
what bug?

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coding can be done in many ways to achieve the same result... if you have worked with coding as I take it you have... you will know what I am talking abouit...
yes i know how to program.

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you can most often times... especially with long strings of code find better ways to work something... it is expected simply because there are things one finds out... new paths or whatever it may be... to make the overall load less while @ the same time doing EXACTLY the same work... I use the word efficiency
right, i would call it better implementation.

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nvidia's drivers are not doing the SAME work though... they are CHANGING the workload...
ok, i also suspect ati's driver not doing the same work too, the sky and water shaders have been partially hard coded or pre-calculated.

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ati's stance though... about removing said application specific optimizations... I can fully understand and it does show character to step up.. pinpoint exactly what you have done and why and then state that you are removing it... thus far nvidia has yet to come out with anything close to resembling a statement that explains what is going on in their test results even though it is blatantly obvious...
when someone refuses to disprove his suspicous cheat but only chooses to not do it again, it is also blatantly obvious he was probably cheating.
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