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Old 10-23-09, 09:26 AM   #18
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Default Re: End of the line for GTX 2xx series?

Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
I seem to remember you (and other ATi fans) saying this last summer. How NVIDIA "couldn't compete" because you imagined their chips "too big, too expensive to produce". Look how that turned out-
Both companies had great cards, but now only ati have their new cards in circulation so we're not in the same position we were in last year.

So after a whole year of selling their best product since the 9700Pro, ATi managed to claw their way to a 35% desktop market share. Errr....woot?
That's still a significant improvement especially considering nvidia had equally good and faster products out at the time.

I personally don't use the GPGPU stuff beyond Badaboom transcoding, but it can't be denied there's a huge market for it. Every week I get press releases about a new company starting to use it, or a University starting to teach it. The economics involved are too significant for the market to ignore, as is the computing power.
First of all badaboom sucks. I do however think that gpgpu is the future, but now that OpenCL is available on both nvidia and ati hardware, cuda doesn't matter anymore.

As far as "NVIDIA going down":


MS just gave NVIDIA a partner award for the Ion, as Intel integrated can't even run all Windows 7 features. AMD isn't mentioned, as usual.
Ion is great no doubt about that and AMD isn't mentioned obviously as they don't have a competing product in that market yet.


And of course Tegra is in the new MS Zune, and will be in next gen Nintendo DS.
Tegra is still not used in any large numbers so until then its a moot point. The next gen Nintendo DS contract is a huge deal, but until it hits the market its not worth mentioning.

And then there's Fermi- which should pretty much own HD5XXX on all fronts. Having the market to themselves for a quarter won't help ATi in 2010 NP. As we saw with the GT200, and the G80, having the leading edge single GPU leads to having the leading edge multi GPU. Very soon, ATi's only possible selling point will be price. Just the way it is.
This paragraph is just bull****; until we see actual benchmarks and price we have no clue whether fermi even beats the 5870.

That's a bad position to be in, because AMD has no competing products in their fight with Intel, and waging a price war on the ATi side is the LAST thing the deep in debt the lumbering Frankenstein firm needs these days. How many quarters can AMD go without a profit? 12 straight so far, and $5 billion in debt to service. Credit has to be getting tight for AMD as year after year they chant the "Return to profitability" mantra.

"Without GlobalFoundries, AMD posted a profit of $2 million, a bright spot for a company that had lost billions of dollars before the spinoff.

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So by your logic the US is bankrupt?

If their tech actually had value, NVIDIA probably would have bought their little company by now.
Just for your knowledge - nvidia couldn't afford buying amd.
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