I am glad to see this thread did not get ugly there is very good info from everyone in this thread. I am not a fanboy of either side I am just looking for the biggest bang for the buck. Having dx 11 parts out from both companies is good for all of us as prices will come down. I was hoping to return to the green team but I think my original comment stands I will wait for the refresh and pick the best card out then. Of course at anytime I might just find myself on Newegg and buy one in a weak moment.